dew claw amputation
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I’ve got a couple questions regarding this.. Anybody know why this started? and continues? Is there really any actual benefit to it, either to the dog or the human? What’s the difference between doing two or four paws? Pros/cons from your experiences?
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> I’ve got a couple questions regarding this.. > Anybody know why this started? and continues? Is there really any actual > benefit to it, either to the dog or the human? What’s the difference between > doing two or four paws? > Pros/cons from your experiences?
Having had working dogs, I have had several dogs tear them off. Elkhounds are to be shown with dewclaws on, (they never have rear dew claws) and I remove them anyway. It never affected their show performance, and I doubt anyone noticed. I have never had an elkhound tear one, but my experience with other breeds was enough, I never give them that opportunity and remove them when they are young so the surgery is minor.
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My vet said it is just so they don’t get torn off. I got Karma and she had all 4 and they could not remove them until she was 5 months. They just took the back ones off because they said it hard on them for fronts by then, they have a bone grown to it, where the back still is just a wiggly toe. They do it when pups are 1-3 days old and they told me it was like removing a pimple and it only costs 3.00 a dog! I had to pay 21.50 a toe when I had it done and the healing process takes longer. If the toes gets torn off you would be looking at surgery which is a lot more expensive than just doing it in the first place. Becky
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got a couple questions regarding this.. > Anybody know why this started? and continues? Is there really any actual > benefit to it, either to the dog or the human? What’s the difference between > doing two or four paws? > Pros/cons from your experiences?
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I work in a Vets office and can tell you we would NEVER remove a dogs Dew Claws. It is a very painful surgery and there is NO reason to remove them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve got a couple questions regarding this.. > Anybody know why this started? and continues? Is there really any actual > benefit to it, either to the dog or the human? What’s the difference between > doing two or four paws? > Pros/cons from your experiences?
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How can you say that? It is not painful to remove them from a 1-3 day old. You would rather see them ripped off and then having the poor dog go through very expensive and PAINFUL surgery? Wow! What vet office do you work at? Tell us so we never go there. Becky
> I work in a Vets office and can tell you we would NEVER > remove a dogs Dew Claws. It is a very painful surgery > and there is NO reason to remove them.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got a couple questions regarding this.. > Anybody know why this started? and continues? Is there really any actual > benefit to it, either to the dog or the human? What’s the difference between > doing two or four paws? > Pros/cons from your experiences?
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I also work in a vet hospital and we never remove dew claws unless they are a problem for the dog. In over 10 years in a vet hospital I have only seen 3 problems with dew claws getting caught on fences in dogs and then only ever the back ones. Perhaps being in a suburban area is the reason we see so few problems but Im assuming you have held 1-3 day puppies for dew claw removal? as I have (In my first nursing position)and Im not sure how you can say its painless when they cry out very loudly when they are cut off. Kim
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How can you say that? It is not painful to remove them from a 1-3 day old. > You would rather see them ripped off and then having the poor dog go through > very expensive and PAINFUL surgery? Wow! What vet office do you work at? > Tell us so we never go there. > Becky > I work in a Vets office and can tell you we would NEVER > remove a dogs Dew Claws. It is a very painful surgery > and there is NO reason to remove them. > > I’ve got a couple questions regarding this.. > > Anybody know why this started? and continues? Is there really any actual > > benefit to it, either to the dog or the human? What’s the difference > between > > doing two or four paws? > > Pros/cons from your experiences?
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Thanks Kim… I was beginning to think I was the only one here that thought this particular surgical procedure was barbaric!! And it IS! Perhaps "Becky" (below) would offer to have HER dewclaws removed to see first hand how painful this surgical procedure is! Sorry Becky….Iwill never agree that doing any UN-neccessary surgical procedure benefits the dog in any way! Ear clippings fall under the same category…it’s cosmetic NOT required! And, yes, ear surgery is also painful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I also work in a vet hospital and we never remove dew claws unless they are > a problem for the dog. > In over 10 years in a vet hospital I have only seen 3 problems with dew > claws getting caught on fences in dogs and then only ever the back ones. > Perhaps being in a suburban area is the reason we see so few problems but Im > assuming you have held 1-3 day puppies for dew claw removal? as I have (In > my first nursing position)and Im not sure how you can say its painless when > they cry out very loudly when they are cut off. > Kim > How can you say that? It is not painful to remove them from a 1-3 day > old. > You would rather see them ripped off and then having the poor dog go > through > very expensive and PAINFUL surgery? Wow! What vet office do you work at? > Tell us so we never go there. > Becky > > I work in a Vets office and can tell you we would NEVER > > remove a dogs Dew Claws. It is a very painful surgery > > and there is NO reason to remove them. > > > I’ve got a couple questions regarding this.. > > > Anybody know why this started? and continues? Is there really any > actual > > > benefit to it, either to the dog or the human? What’s the difference > between > > > doing two or four paws? > > > Pros/cons from your experiences?
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> Thanks Kim… > I was beginning to think I was the only one here that thought this > particular surgical procedure was barbaric!! And it IS! > Perhaps "Becky" (below) would offer to have HER dewclaws removed to > see first hand how painful this surgical procedure is! > Sorry Becky….Iwill never agree that doing any UN-neccessary surgical > procedure benefits the dog in any way! Ear clippings fall under the > same category…it’s cosmetic NOT required! And, yes, ear surgery is > also painful.
Ok, you attack Becky for for practicing the procedure, but I practice it also. I HAVE had Dewclaws rip off dogs, and since they are tracking (formerly search dogs) and have a potential hunting dog, I eliminate the dewclaw when VERY young, so they don’t have to take time out of training when it’s critical to heal. There is a huge difference between a torn off adult attached dewclaw and a young unattached appendage. If a dog tears one, just once in it’s adult lifetime, then the removal of them when young was justified. Of course if they are removed once ….. you never knew about what would have happened when they were older. Call me barbarian if you want.. I’m going to go enjoy my coffee… while you enjoy your ulcer
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> > Thanks Kim… > I was beginning to think I was the only one here that thought this > particular surgical procedure was barbaric!! And it IS!
I do think there is a substantially different risk between a surburban couch potato pet, and a dog that is out there EARNING it’s living. The Barbarian
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> assuming you have held 1-3 day puppies for dew claw removal? as I have (In > my first nursing position)and Im not sure how you can say its painless when > they cry out very loudly when they are cut off.
I have many times, for my own, and others’ 3 day old pups. I see no significant reaction to the claw being cut, just a cry at the anti coagulant, then they snuggle in with brothers and sisters and are asleep in seconds. NO signs of discomfort afterwards. — Lisa Baird – Haleakala PWDs "Truly" – CH Fantaseas Truly Scrumptious, CD, AAD, AX, NAJ "Havoc" – Stargazer Come Hell’R HiWater (puppy with promise!) Wiley MAD, SM, JM, RM – Beloved All American Buckeye Region Agility Group <http://www.bragagility.com/> PAWZitive Beginnings Dog Training <http://www.PAWZitiveBeginnings.com>
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> > assuming you have held 1-3 day puppies for dew claw removal? as I have (In > my first nursing position)and Im not sure how you can say its painless when > they cry out very loudly when they are cut off. > I have many times, for my own, and others’ 3 day old pups. I see no significant > reaction to the claw being cut, just a cry at the anti coagulant, then they > snuggle in with brothers and sisters and are asleep in seconds. NO signs of > discomfort afterwards. > —
I have seen them not even cry
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> Perhaps being in a suburban area is the reason we see so few problems but Im > assuming you have held 1-3 day puppies for dew claw removal? as I have (In > my first nursing position)and Im not sure how you can say its painless when > they cry out very loudly when they are cut off.
Then you are doing it wrong, plain and simple, and I certainly hope that your vet ceases doing this procedure until he/she has been trained by somebody who can do it humanely. I’ve also observed an adult labrador tear off the dew claw and the resulting bloodbath and frantic panicked cries as he ripped it off pulling himself free. kassa
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Thank You Diddy! I feel sorry for their dogs and the dogs they treat. I guess if you never run your dog or train it and it just sits around then it most likely won’t get dew claws torn off, but I feel for those dogs then being neglected. Becky
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Perhaps being in a suburban area is the reason we see so few problems but Im > assuming you have held 1-3 day puppies for dew claw removal? as I have (In > my first nursing position)and Im not sure how you can say its painless when > they cry out very loudly when they are cut off. > Then you are doing it wrong, plain and simple, and I certainly hope > that > your vet ceases doing this procedure until he/she has been trained by > somebody > who can do it humanely. > I’ve also observed an adult labrador tear off the dew claw and the > resulting bloodbath and frantic panicked cries as he ripped it off > pulling himself free. > kassa
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> Thank You Diddy! I feel sorry for their dogs and the dogs they treat. I > guess if you never run your dog or train it and it just sits around then it > most likely won’t get dew claws torn off, but I feel for those dogs then > being neglected. > Becky
I too am pro dew claw removal. I have seen too many dogs get their dew ripped off to believe it is ok to leave them intact. Even so called ‘couch potato’ dogs are susceptable. My former Mother-In-Law’s Beagle snagged his in an afghan and the poor little guy had to go to the vet at several months of age to have the surgery to remove them. It is much easier and safer to do this when they are newborns. Sorry to those of you that are so against this practice, but it is not merely cosmetic in my opinion. It is a preventative measure that the puppy won’t even remember. There are no long term psychological affects from this procedure. If you’ve never had a dog get theirs caught and torn then you are lucky. For those of us that have experienced it, I think I can say we will continue to have dews removed on our dogs. Julie B. — http://www.geocities.com/carolynnsmom1994/bignews/wedding.htm Dan, Carolynn and I want to share our good news with you! http://www.geocities.com/carolynnsmom1994/angel.htm Come and read about our ‘Little Angel’ http://www.geocities.com/stingersjoolz/carolynn.html Carolynn’s Place!
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> Sorry to > those of you that are so against this practice, but it is not merely > cosmetic in my opinion. It is a preventative measure that the puppy won’t
I don’t see it at as ALL cosmetic. Heck, you can never tell by just looking at my guys if they are there or not! — Lisa Baird – Haleakala PWDs "Truly" – CH Fantaseas Truly Scrumptious, CD, AAD, AX, NAJ "Havoc" – Stargazer Come Hell’R HiWater (puppy with promise!) Wiley MAD, SM, JM, RM – Beloved All American Buckeye Region Agility Group <http://www.bragagility.com/> PAWZitive Beginnings Dog Training <http://www.PAWZitiveBeginnings.com>
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Becky, You do not know me or anything about how my dogs are treated. How dare you assume or accuse me of such nonsence. Because we don’t agree on this procedure, which in MY opinion is "barbaric", does NOT mean I don’t love and care for my animals…and you should be ashamed for the personal attack! We do not agree on this procedure, Becky. I happen to think it is barbaric and inhumane but if you wish to induce this type of procedure on your animals I say "God bless You", thats you problem. Though I doubt you’re dogs appreciated it. (But it’s still your right, I guess). And by the way, working in a Vet Hospital we see all kinds of things…too many horribly tragic. After 8 yrs though we have yet to have a single animal come in with a dewclaw ripped off. Not a single one for any of the 5 Vets in our practice. All 5 vets refuse to remove dewclaws. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thank You Diddy! I feel sorry for their dogs and the dogs they treat. I > guess if you never run your dog or train it and it just sits around then it > most likely won’t get dew claws torn off, but I feel for those dogs then > being neglected. > Becky
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Well I had my sons circumcised and I’m sure they did not appreciate it as it happened, but they never came back and said "hey remember that time…" and that is pretty much just for looks, as dew claw removal is not! I am glad you never seen an animal with a toe ripped off and I hope you never have to, and yeah you are entitled to your own opinion as am I. Becky
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Becky, > You do not know me or anything about how my dogs are treated. How dare > you assume or accuse me of such nonsence. Because we don’t agree on > this procedure, which in MY opinion is "barbaric", does NOT mean I > don’t love and care for my animals…and you should be ashamed for the > personal attack! > We do not agree on this procedure, Becky. I happen to think it is > barbaric and inhumane but if you wish to induce this type of procedure > on your animals I say "God bless You", thats you problem. Though I > doubt you’re dogs appreciated it. (But it’s still your right, I > guess). And by the way, working in a Vet Hospital we see all kinds of > things…too many horribly tragic. After 8 yrs though we have yet to > have a single animal come in with a dewclaw ripped off. Not a single > one for any of the 5 Vets in our practice. All 5 vets refuse to remove > dewclaws.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank You Diddy! I feel sorry for their dogs and the dogs they treat. I > guess if you never run your dog or train it and it just sits around then it > most likely won’t get dew claws torn off, but I feel for those dogs then > being neglected. > Becky
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Hey Ruthie….see above post from Carolynn’s mom….too many people here have seen claws ripped off to not have it done.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Becky, > You do not know me or anything about how my dogs are treated. How dare > you assume or accuse me of such nonsence. Because we don’t agree on > this procedure, which in MY opinion is "barbaric", does NOT mean I > don’t love and care for my animals…and you should be ashamed for the > personal attack! > We do not agree on this procedure, Becky. I happen to think it is > barbaric and inhumane but if you wish to induce this type of procedure > on your animals I say "God bless You", thats you problem. Though I > doubt you’re dogs appreciated it. (But it’s still your right, I > guess). And by the way, working in a Vet Hospital we see all kinds of > things…too many horribly tragic. After 8 yrs though we have yet to > have a single animal come in with a dewclaw ripped off. Not a single > one for any of the 5 Vets in our practice. All 5 vets refuse to remove > dewclaws.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank You Diddy! I feel sorry for their dogs and the dogs they treat. I > guess if you never run your dog or train it and it just sits around then it > most likely won’t get dew claws torn off, but I feel for those dogs then > being neglected. > Becky
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> Thanks Kim… > I was beginning to think I was the only one here that thought this > particular surgical procedure was barbaric!! And it IS! > Perhaps "Becky" (below) would offer to have HER dewclaws removed to > see first hand how painful this surgical procedure is! > Sorry Becky….Iwill never agree that doing any UN-neccessary surgical > procedure benefits the dog in any way! Ear clippings fall under the > same category…it’s cosmetic NOT required! And, yes, ear surgery is > also painful.
Hi Ruthie, My old JRX has two front dew claws and they sometimes get caught on her bedding and on her name tag on her collar. I wish I’d had them removed when she was spayed years ago. I agree with you about ear cropping which isn’t practised in the UK. I think dobes etc look gorgeous with their ears. I can’t understand why people want their dogs to look like batman. Alison
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Of my three dogs, one had a dew claw torn off (I guess) One day I just noticed one was missing. I tried to remember a day when he limped or bled or cried previously, but never could. It just dissapeared. He’s a 50 lb mix that looks like a Belgian Sheppard, and I noticed it missing when he was about 6. Q
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Thats still "you’re" opinion Becky. It’s wondderful that some people agree with you…. but some people do not. Some people swear by giving thier babes (dogs) raw chicken bones, too! (OMG!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey Ruthie….see above post from Carolynn’s mom….too many people here > have seen claws ripped off to not have it done. > Becky, > You do not know me or anything about how my dogs are treated. How dare > you assume or accuse me of such nonsence. Because we don’t agree on > this procedure, which in MY opinion is "barbaric", does NOT mean I > don’t love and care for my animals…and you should be ashamed for the > personal attack! > We do not agree on this procedure, Becky. I happen to think it is > barbaric and inhumane but if you wish to induce this type of procedure > on your animals I say "God bless You", thats you problem. Though I > doubt you’re dogs appreciated it. (But it’s still your right, I > guess). And by the way, working in a Vet Hospital we see all kinds of > things…too many horribly tragic. After 8 yrs though we have yet to > have a single animal come in with a dewclaw ripped off. Not a single > one for any of the 5 Vets in our practice. All 5 vets refuse to remove > dewclaws. > > Thank You Diddy! I feel sorry for their dogs and the dogs they treat. > I > > guess if you never run your dog or train it and it just sits around then > it > > most likely won’t get dew claws torn off, but I feel for those dogs then > > being neglected. > > Becky
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> Some people swear by giving thier babes > (dogs) raw chicken bones, too! (OMG!)
Absolutely. Raw. Not cooked. My breeder swears by raw chicken wings to help keep their teeth clean. My pup doesn’t chew them – just tried to swallow them whole – so he doesn’t get them. And I just saw a local vet on TV who said to feed bones raw only – never cooked. — ~~Judy There is only one smartest dog in the world and everyone has it.
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> Some people swear by giving thier babes > (dogs) raw chicken bones, too! (OMG!) > Absolutely. Raw. Not cooked. My breeder swears by raw chicken wings to > help keep their teeth clean. My pup doesn’t chew them – just tried to > swallow them whole – so he doesn’t get them. > And I just saw a local vet on TV who said to feed bones raw only – never > cooked.
I had never heard of feeding them chicken bones until now… After a bit of looking, I found the following info: http://members.aol.com/abywood/www/risk_rcw.htm http://www.ipass.net/~wrweber/barf.html http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=79 Those are just a few of the hundreds of articles about this… I’m not saying I’m immediately switching, but you have given me pause for thought and I will be researching an alternate diet for sure now. We may end up losing our little Weim due to the liver problem, but I’ve also got a 6 year old Black Lab with Epilepsy and Food allergies… If a new diet made up of all raw and natural foods will help him, I’ll do anything. Thanks for the info! Julie B.
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> http://members.aol.com/abywood/www/risk_rcw.htm
Hmmm… It was there a minute ago and now it’s gone… How bizarre! Julie B.
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> I had never heard of feeding them chicken bones until now… After a bit of > looking, I found the following info: > http://members.aol.com/abywood/www/risk_rcw.htm > http://www.ipass.net/~wrweber/barf.html > http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=79 > Those are just a few of the hundreds of articles about this… I’m not > saying I’m immediately switching, but you have given me pause for thought
I admit I had trouble overcoming what I’ve been told for years – that you *never* let a dog have poultry bones. It was really hard for me to do it the first couple of times. I felt reassured by comments from people here and I just finally trusted the breeder. My dog gets a regular dog food diet twice a day – although it consists of three different dog foods combined. Because of the risk of kidney problems in schnauzers, it’s recommended to keep the protein level low – hence the mixture of foods. He also gets (and begs!) raw vegetables and fruits. And I brush his teeth regularly. The chicken wings (just one section once a week or so – these are miniature schnauzers) are supposed to help clean their teeth. But as I said, the last couple of times I fed them to my pup, he swallowed them whole. I didn’t think that was going to help his teeth much so we discontinued them. I may try again now that he’s older. — ~~Judy There is only one smartest dog in the world and everyone has it.
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