Border terriers
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> If you (or anyone here) are considering a BT, please do the > research FIRST, and better still, join the BT listserve.
You’re preaching to the converted. As with many breeds, it pays to do the research. I figure 10 years of research, planning, and making contacts will be a pretty good start. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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> > The ones I know are usually quite friendly with new people, > but are NOT at all accepting of new dogs. If you have a > multi-dog household, especially multiple male hosuehold… > What about a Border Terrier bought into a house full of dogs as > as a puppy?
We brought in a male BT puppy to join our then 10 yo female BT, and we had mixed results. The puppy turned out to be a lot more manic than the older, much more passive female, but after 2 years she is FINALLY telling him off 
I think it has to do more with the individual temperaments than anything else, because from what I read on the BT listserve, this seems to be the case. I don’t think that BTs, while feisty at times, are known to be especially dog-aggressive. In addition, the listers (who are TRUE BT experts, unlike me generally suggest a mixed sex pair (both neutered, of course!) rather than the same sex to promote some semblance of harmony. > I’m thinking about a Border Terrier sometime after that, in > about 10 years.
If you (or anyone here) are considering a BT, please do the research FIRST, and better still, join the BT listserve. Like all breeds, they are not for everyone, and an informed owner goes a long way towards ensuring a happy relationship. I have a link to the BT list signup pages on my BT page (see my sig). elaine — Elaine P. Pack, Web Analyst, Charlottesville, VA The 2nd mouse gets the cheese, but the early worm gets eaten! Visit my Border Terrier database! http://www9.ewebcity.com/epack ICQ: 6165307 – AIM: EPPoppie/PopLes/EPPackCo – PGP Public Key: 0xCE923F8B
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> They are nice. But I know quite a few here, and I keep an eye on my dogs > around the boys. I’ve not seen a problem with the bitches, but the boys > are pretty damned snotty. They’re little, so there is a limit to what they
Must be regional. Around here (and most are related) I wouldn’t trust a bitch at all, but most of the boys are pretty nice. Actually, we had two at our agility picnic running loose with everyone this last Saturday. The bitches though, with the exception of ours, are VERY same sex/breed aggressive. > I would guess that they are NOT supposed to be like this, and I would also > guess that it is an issue that breeders are dealing with.
Definitely NOT. Is a real problem with a particular line around here. These little dogs were bred to run with the hounds, not kill one another. <g> As far as heat, I don’t see too much real distress in it, just that most are looking for an excuse to quit working if its a task they don’t particularly care for. <g> Now, WE have to be careful with Peanut, since she’s epileptic and heat can effect her more. And that is a BIG nasty and not talked about much in the breed. Among some breeders, just flat denied. — Lisa Baird Dublin, Ohio Haleakala Portuguese Water Dogs Buckeye Region Agility Group, Inc. PAWZitive Beginnings Dog Training, LLC
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Its a standard problem in any dog breed with a short muzzle – the muzzle is the cooling system for the dogs and when it gets shorter the cooling gets harder for the dogs. Dogs do adapt to their locale though and learn to cope with heat according to my friends with short nosed breeds in the South and Southwest Nancy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > | > | > > | > The ones I know are usually quite friendly with new people, but are NOT > at > | > all accepting of new dogs. If you have a multi-dog household, especially > | > multiple male hosuehold… > | > > | > | Hmmmm. Not the ones I know! Viva’s bestest bud is a male Border who > | lives happily (and subordinately) with 2 other dogs. I also know a > | border breeder, and dog aggression is not a trait I’d assign to the ones > | I’ve seen and known. Some are actually rather soft (not a good breed > | trait). And they do NOT handle heat well. But they’re generally super > | little dogs. > Robin, where did you learn about the Border Terrier’s problem with heat? I > heard that on "Breed All About It" today as well. It’s something I did not > know. I need to learn more about it–it would be a significant reason > against getting a Border Terrier in Florida. > Jeff > jeff#doplay.com
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>Hmmmm. Not the ones I know! Viva’s bestest bud is a male Border who >lives happily (and subordinately) with 2 other dogs. I also know a >border breeder, and dog aggression is not a trait I’d assign to the ones >I’ve seen and known. Some are actually rather soft (not a good breed >trait). And they do NOT handle heat well. But they’re generally super >little dogs.
They are nice. But I know quite a few here, and I keep an eye on my dogs around the boys. I’ve not seen a problem with the bitches, but the boys are pretty damned snotty. They’re little, so there is a limit to what they can do to a Golden sized dog, but they are noisy about their dislike of other dogs in their space (defined rather largely!!) and can get very snarly. I would guess that they are NOT supposed to be like this, and I would also guess that it is an issue that breeders are dealing with. Ann, Twzl, Sligo and Roy — Its up to your government to streamline the same laws to all states. Its hardly surprising so much abuse happens when there is no uniformity.<Patch>
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> Robin, where did you learn about the Border Terrier’s problem with heat? I > heard that on "Breed All About It" today as well. It’s something I did not > know. I need to learn more about it–it would be a significant reason > against getting a Border Terrier in Florida.
I didn’t hear about it, I’ve witnessed it. And the Border Terrier National Specialty was in St. Louis a few weeks ago. Wasn’t blazing hot, but apparently there were tons of dogs who just quit in the heat. Viva’s buddy Kip went and hid under the table, panting, instead of running the agility course (and he’s usually a firecracker).
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They’re little, so there is a limit to what they > can do to a Golden sized dog, but they are noisy about their dislike of > other dogs in their space (defined rather largely!!) and can get very > snarly. > I would guess that they are NOT supposed to be like this, and I would also > guess that it is an issue that breeders are dealing with.
Maybe a subset you’re seeing up in your area? Honestly I haven’t seen it at all around here. And Borders are rare enough that you might have "pocket" populations. I know a couple of males (and several bitches) and they aren’t at all dog aggressive. I’ll have to ask Linda and Kathy about that.
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| | > | > The ones I know are usually quite friendly with new people, but are NOT at | > all accepting of new dogs. If you have a multi-dog household, especially | > multiple male hosuehold… | > | | Hmmmm. Not the ones I know! Viva’s bestest bud is a male Border who | lives happily (and subordinately) with 2 other dogs. I also know a | border breeder, and dog aggression is not a trait I’d assign to the ones | I’ve seen and known. Some are actually rather soft (not a good breed | trait). And they do NOT handle heat well. But they’re generally super | little dogs. Robin, where did you learn about the Border Terrier’s problem with heat? I heard that on "Breed All About It" today as well. It’s something I did not know. I need to learn more about it–it would be a significant reason against getting a Border Terrier in Florida. Jeff jeff#doplay.com
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>Border Terriers seem not to have the ‘negative traits’ that can accompany >breeds meant to go to ground after dangerous critters–quick temper, >tendency to snap, unwillingness to back down, low sociability with >strangers.
The ones I know are usually quite friendly with new people, but are NOT at all accepting of new dogs. If you have a multi-dog household, especially multiple male hosuehold… Ann, twzl, Sligo and Roy — Its up to your government to streamline the same laws to all states. Its hardly surprising so much abuse happens when there is no uniformity.<Patch>
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> The ones I know are usually quite friendly with new people, > but are NOT at all accepting of new dogs. If you have a > multi-dog household, especially multiple male hosuehold…
What about a Border Terrier bought into a house full of dogs as as a puppy? My next dog from a breeder is going to be another Aussie, but I’m thinking about a Border Terrier sometime after that, in about 10 years. By that time, Rocky will be 13, my "new" Aussie female will be about 8, and Murphy, alas, will be dead. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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> The ones I know are usually quite friendly with new people, but are NOT at > all accepting of new dogs. If you have a multi-dog household, especially > multiple male hosuehold…
Hmmmm. Not the ones I know! Viva’s bestest bud is a male Border who lives happily (and subordinately) with 2 other dogs. I also know a border breeder, and dog aggression is not a trait I’d assign to the ones I’ve seen and known. Some are actually rather soft (not a good breed trait). And they do NOT handle heat well. But they’re generally super little dogs.
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Interesting. Today’s episode of Breed All About It (Animal Planet) featured none other than the Border Terrier. I hope you caught it. This is my favorite of the terriers, and I’ve given thought, on and off, to getting one myself. Border Terriers seem not to have the ‘negative traits’ that can accompany breeds meant to go to ground after dangerous critters–quick temper, tendency to snap, unwillingness to back down, low sociability with strangers. Daniel F. Tortora describes Border Terriers: Emotionally stable Low territoriality Med. dominance with dogs Low to med. dominance with familiar people Very high sociability with children Med. to high soc with adults, including strangers High learning rate High obedience rate Soft-coated Wheaten Terriers are similarly described but of only medium obedience. Jeff jeff#doplay.com
| I’m looking at getting another dog. I’ve had many different types of dogs in | the past and I have had the pleasure of being around many other dogs. I’ve | only seen pictures of this dog and I was wondering if anyone could tell me | about their temperment. All the dogs I’ve ever had were larger breeds and I | just want to know is this a good inside dog and how fast do they learn. My | Golden and Border Collie kind of spoiled me because I could damn near give | the book and they would figure it out on thier own. Pretty much any info on | this breed would be apperciated good or bad. | |
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I’m looking at getting another dog. I’ve had many different types of dogs in the past and I have had the pleasure of being around many other dogs. I’ve only seen pictures of this dog and I was wondering if anyone could tell me about their temperment. All the dogs I’ve ever had were larger breeds and I just want to know is this a good inside dog and how fast do they learn. My Golden and Border Collie kind of spoiled me because I could damn near give the book and they would figure it out on thier own. Pretty much any info on this breed would be apperciated good or bad.
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Here is some good information direct from AKC.org. Down the left hand side lets you know what you can expect as an owner of a Border Collie. http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/borderte.cfm Nathan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m looking at getting another dog. I’ve had many different types of dogs in > the past and I have had the pleasure of being around many other dogs. I’ve > only seen pictures of this dog and I was wondering if anyone could tell me > about their temperment. All the dogs I’ve ever had were larger breeds and I > just want to know is this a good inside dog and how fast do they learn. My > Golden and Border Collie kind of spoiled me because I could damn near give > the book and they would figure it out on thier own. Pretty much any info on > this breed would be apperciated good or bad.
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