? about breeding Pomeranians
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>am concerned about possible complications and risks to him.
Hi Deborah, If this lady has a 4 yr bitch odds are she’s already had a litter (or several from her) and dogs can get some lovely STD’s these days. Even if there wasn’t a prior litter she might have bred the bitch and those pesky little diseases can pop up just from breeding. Talk to fellow Pom fanciers about the situation of Pom rescue, and believe me there IS a need what with puppy mills constantly throwing away their older breeding stock. Most shelters/vets have master lists of rescue orgs. around the area. Meredith Brittain coordinator/rescue Pembroke Welsh Corgi Club of So.Cal. Chihuahua Rescue of the Inland Empire
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Hi My name is Chris. My wife and I have three poms. Two males (one is 2 years old and the other is 13 wks old. And we have one female.. she is 7 1/2 months old.. she is in heat. we took her to the vet to have her checked and for her shots, and the vet told us to breed her now since we were planning on breeding any way…she is in great shape and health my vet said… IS THIS TOO YOUNG? OR IS HE RIGHT? Thanks Chris
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We have checked into there quality and We show my male but not the female as of yet only match show so far for her. I didn’t think she was old enough either I thought she had to be 1 1/2 years old before her first litter.. I am changing vets after this incident… Thanks for you help
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi > My name is Chris. My wife and I have three poms. Two males (one is 2 > years old and the other is 13 wks old. And we have one female.. she is 7 > 1/2 months old.. she is in heat. we took her to the vet to have her checked > and for her shots, and the vet told us to breed her now since we were > planning on breeding any way…she is in great shape and health my vet > said… > IS THIS TOO YOUNG? OR IS HE RIGHT? > Thanks > Chris
Quite simply, Chris, your vet is an idiot. Now is an awful time to breed her, not just because of her age (although she is WAY too young), but because you and your wife haven’t done any of the necessary testing or gotten any sort of outside opinions from knowledgeable Pom people to see if she (or your males, for that matter) should be bred in the first place. Now, however, is a perfect time to get her spayed so you won’t have to worry about the hassle of keeping her separated from your males, or about your males fighting, or about contributing to the population of thousands of unwanted Poms already out there, waiting to be euthanised. And chances are great she’ll live longer if she’s spayed… so you’ll have that much more time to enjoy the pleasure of her company. So, the agenda: Get her spayed (unless you want to go the show route and get some good sound advice on whether or not she’s breed-worthy). Maybe even get your males neutered. Then love them all like crazy for as long as you can. Oh. And get a new vet… sounds like the one you have is pretty clueless.
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>And we have one female.. she is 7 >1/2 months old.. she is in heat. we took her to the vet to have her checked >and for her shots, and the vet told us to breed her now since we were >planning on breeding any way…she is in great shape and health my vet >said… > IS THIS TOO YOUNG? OR IS HE RIGHT?
Yes, she is too young. Second, what qualifies this vet to determine if she is of breeding quality anyway? Is he a Pom expert? I would say your vet is dead wrong, has no business giving out breeding program advice and perhaps you should seek out a new vet. Mrc
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>Hi >My name is Chris. My wife and I have three poms. Two males (one is 2 >years old and the other is 13 wks old. And we have one female.. she is 7 >1/2 months old.. she is in heat. we took her to the vet to have her checked >and for her shots, and the vet told us to breed her now since we were >planning on breeding any way…she is in great shape and health my vet >said… > IS THIS TOO YOUNG? OR IS HE RIGHT?
It’s *way* too young. Your vet is wrong. My advice is to find a different vet. Unfortunately, most vets don’t know anything about *responsible* dog breeding. Also, when you wait, you have all of the time to do the research that you need to do to produce healthy, happy puppies and not genetic misfits that could go blind, have seizures, bite people, etc. You have time to show your girl (does your male have any titles?) to make sure her conformation is up to par and she is a good representative of the Pomeranian breed. You can make sure that her size is a good match for your male (you do *not* want to breed a tiny female to a big male!) You have time to do all the health tests that are necessary to produce sound puppies (hint: no vet can just *look* at a dog and say that it’s healthy for breeding!)-OFA, CERF, patella, thyroid (and if you don’t know what these tests are, you have time to learn). You can join your local Pom club and learn from experienced breeders. You can volunteer for Pom rescue and ponder whether you really want to bring more puppies into this world. And you can save up for the cost of a caeasarian section, which is very common in toy breeds, and learn how to feed and care for the puppies round-the-clock if a medical emergency should happen. Cris Waller Visit the Predator Defense Institute website! http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/pdi/index.htm Flat-coated retriever art gallery http://members.tripod.com/antique_fcr/index.html
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Actually, you should probably wait until she is at least two. Make sure you screen for common inherited problems, like luxated patellas and skin problems. You also need to make sure that you are aware of any such problems in her pedigree. While your waiting for her to grow up, go ahead and show her. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >We have checked into there quality and We show my male but not the female as >of yet only match show so far for her. I didn’t think she was old enough >either I thought she had to be 1 1/2 years old before her first litter.. I >am changing vets after this incident… Thanks for you help
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I am chiming in because while everyone told you that the vet is WRONG nobody really explained why beyond the need for health testing. You do not breed a toy bitch until typically the third or fourth heat. Your puppy is still developing herself and needs her nutrition to go into her own growth and maturing process. When a bitch becomes pregnant she usually gives her all nutritionally to the pups she is carrying. When the bitch is not done maturing not only does this drain her of the incoming nutrients but can also strip what little reserves she may have. A mature bitch with her lower nutritional needs for her own development has more to give to the pups she will whelp. In addition so young a bitch might not be able to produce healthy puppies due to the nutritional conflicts that pregnancy would cause. Midline closure issues (heart defects, open fontanel etc) are a common issue with nutritionally compromised litters. So you could end up not only with a shorter less healthy future for your bitch but also lose all the pups that caused this! Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi > My name is Chris. My wife and I have three poms. Two males (one is 2 > years old and the other is 13 wks old. And we have one female.. she is 7 > 1/2 months old.. she is in heat. we took her to the vet to have her checked > and for her shots, and the vet told us to breed her now since we were > planning on breeding any way…she is in great shape and health my vet > said… > IS THIS TOO YOUNG? OR IS HE RIGHT? > Thanks > Chris
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