Akitas….fresh thread…
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akita literature says headstrong….will test authority…to some degree synonomous with stubborn….that has been my experience, especially with the male….allof is used a lot as well. I refer to this testing as screwing with me…..it is random an unpredictable…. Just to educate you, from the akita site…. http://www.akitaclub.org/info/breedinfo.html Akitas like to take charge – an inherited trait from their wolf ancestry – and may at some time, challenge you for the dominant position. This behavior cannot be tolerated and a firm, consistent correction should be your immediate response. Akitas with good temperament accept discipline well – not beating, but intelligent discipline. A good scruff shaking is an effective form of discipline for an Akita. frequently, a firm verbal command will get your point across
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i trained the dog to walk and heel for control purposes… I think a good >dog, in public, when the master stops walking, it immediately sits, >preferably looking straight ahead. > Why does the dog have to look straight ahead? >I don’t like hand movements, because in public then it looks like you are >showing off or something…. > There is nothing wrong with using hand signals. My own dogs respond to both. > Matter of fact, two of them respond faster with hand signals used. >it is rare, and there never seems to be a reason except to screw >with you…. > Dogs don’t screw with you. A dog who is disobedient is a dog who doesn’t > understand fully what you want it to do. > Dogstar716 > Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html > "AKC papers do not mean you are getting > a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy > mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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And your evaluation of her string of "honest mistakes"….mistakes she used as a basis to proclaim me irresponsible…that is my main complaint just interested……. I like the comment that the site was not that complex….I agree….she was unable to find any of the information that was plainly there that she said she "honestly" missed…….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->re-read her post…..I was not asked answers, given a chance to reply, then >proclaimed irresponsible.. > What???? She stated what she noticed about your site. You had PLENTY of time > to respond, and when you did you called her every name in the book. > I looked at your site, it’s not that complex, and it doesn’t have half of the > info a good responsible breeder would have on their site. > Dogstar716 > Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html > "AKC papers do not mean you are getting > a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy > mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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> .they will also, sometimes, with no warning, decide to sit when > walking in the ring…..out of no where…..eventually they will learn > it…..they are stubborn….it is their tempermant > Nope. Go talk to the Akita breeders. Try http://www.sukinaakitas.com
page not found…. all the literature I have read says headstrong…..it has been my experience….also that they lose interest quickly…it has been my experience…both confirmed by breeders I have talked to, who have supplied my dogs…. FWIW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Make sure to read the "Why we are different section too." > IME, across a wide variety of breeds, the x breed is hard to train, they > are stubborn is an excuse for lack of training. BTW, I’m not saying that > you are doing it, in fact I bet you learned it about Akitas from someone > else. It easier to say the breed is hard to train than it is to figure out > what motivates the individual dog one is training.. It also gives them an > excuse for poor manners.. Breeds can have different temperaments, but I’ve > seen far too many dogs of allegedly difficult breeds doing just fine in > obedience classes. > Try clicker training if other things you have tried haven’t worked for you > and your dogs. Do a search on clicker training and you should way to many > hits. You might also see if Diane has any links at http://www.dog-play.com > She probably does. > Karen
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>i trained the dog to walk and heel for control purposes… I think a good >dog, in public, when the master stops walking, it immediately sits, >preferably looking straight ahead.
Why does the dog have to look straight ahead? >I don’t like hand movements, because in public then it looks like you are >showing off or something….
There is nothing wrong with using hand signals. My own dogs respond to both. Matter of fact, two of them respond faster with hand signals used. >it is rare, and there never seems to be a reason except to screw >with you….
Dogs don’t screw with you. A dog who is disobedient is a dog who doesn’t understand fully what you want it to do. Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html "AKC papers do not mean you are getting a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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>re-read her post…..I was not asked answers, given a chance to reply, then >proclaimed irresponsible..
What???? She stated what she noticed about your site. You had PLENTY of time to respond, and when you did you called her every name in the book. I looked at your site, it’s not that complex, and it doesn’t have half of the info a good responsible breeder would have on their site. Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html "AKC papers do not mean you are getting a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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> > defensive… > I believe defensive.
I agree > Look, we get so many ppl that come in here peddling pups. You came in > and no one knew anything about you. And as it is a discussion group, many of > the ppl are going to ask questions. Maybe some of them didn’t do it exactly > how *you* would have liked, but they were serious questions in the very > beginning. You got some very serious answers and more questions.
It was very difficult to distinguish serious people from flamers… > You came off as EXTREMELY defensive and started this whole thing with > Robin, who, BTW, is one of the most knowledgeable breeders here. We ask > ANYONE who comes in out of the cold the same thing, *you’re not unique*. > Then as you started to sling the defensive answers back many ppl took a > look at that and made some observations. Like, how ppl who answer your > questions get ‘attacked’ when doing so.
She was the initial post. I took exception to the high number of "honest mistakes" in her initial post. I took exception to the fact that she did not review much on my site. I took exception to negative spin she applied to statements. I took exception she proclaimed me irresponsible, without doing much in the way of fact finding first….. re-read her post…..I was not asked answers, given a chance to reply, then proclaimed irresponsible….she was judge and jury and executioner. I was allowed no defense. If she had emailed me privately first, things might have been much different. Just so you understand….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mindy is *so* right on target with the defensiveness she noted. We ALL > have noted it. > Right here in this new thread, you asked a serious question for help , > offering an olive branch. Mindy gave you a *great* reply. Like looking at > your bitch, in the mirror, and trying to match her stacking with the ones in > the picture. (I haven’t seen said pic, just going on this part of the > conversation.) But then you answer, > I don’t need to look at the pix….I have the dogs….LOL > Now, sincerely, exactly what part of the helpful info that Mindy gave > you made you decide ‘you don’t have to look at pix’??? This is dead serious. > If you look at the way they are stacked, and try to get your bitch to do > You asked for help, you got it. But you rebuff it in every way. (And the > old LOLs are getting rather droll, BTW.)
I though mindy was basically saying to ignore the fact that someone had judged my dog’s quality by looking at the pictures on the site, when such a judgement is not possible….my response was that I did not need to look at the site, that I had the dog to look at…..you are misunderstanding it as an insult, or a rebuff…..I believe I said I appreciated the advise….I will make no jokes, I guess. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I, and I’m sure, the rest of the group, understand that you taught her > to sit. I don’t show, I don’t breed, I do have four dogs that I adopted from > shelters or rescued. But even *I* can see what she is talking about. > If you have shown, you do understand these things MUCH better than me, > correct? Then listen to Mindy, Robin, Diane, Ann; many of these ppl are > either breeders, or do obedience and such a variety of work with their dogs. > They KNOW what they are saying. > If you keep this up with the LOL and the rebuffing every helpful tip you > get, how do you come to the conclusion that anyone here , at all, should > offer their time and help? In the real world all of the wonderful helpful > opportunities that are offered here, would cost big bucks. But here you get > them for FREE, and toss them back in ppl’s faces. > I, (and I know I’m not alone here!!!!!), can’t understand where the heck > you’re coming from. You are the most *defensive* poster I have seen in the > five years I’ve been here. You need to chill out, go listen to some music, > then come back in a few days, and try again. With an OPEN MIND. You know, > the thing you accuse everyone else of lacking?
I have tried…what am I to make of Robin’s last post, back to calling me irresponsible…is her mind open…..continuing to bang the same old drum…now wanting to count the days since the puppies were born, trying to prove herself more right than me….asking for the whelping date, which is on the same site she said she viewed when she made the determination that my dogs were pet quality… What am I to make of this…..at this point…less defensive and more confused as to what various people’s motives are. > An old saying. > You go out one day at you meet an asshole. You can go along and chalk it > up to *them* having a bad day. > You go out the next day, and *everyone* is an asshole. Who do you think > is lacking in critical thinking here, if you still believe that *everyone* > here is an asshole, and *you* are the *only* one who isn’t?
Fair enough…however, is your thesis that I was the only asshole in the flame war, and EVERYONE else acted perfectly…if that is your opinion, that is fine….I can accept the label….I understand it….how my actions could be determined as such > I’m sincerely not calling you an asshole, it’s just that you are coming > off as ‘everyone here is attacking you’. But you ask a question, get an > answer, then rebuff it, it’s just not very cool, and you KNOW that, if you > have any sense at all.
Not everyone, but examine the way the flame war flared up….it was a classic newsgroup flamewar I do know that…it’s just that the intial post was inflamatory, and contained errors of fact…which others picked up and continued as fact, which Robin did not bother to correct when she found her errors…. As I am figuring out who has useful information, it will become easier…or I will seek information elsewhere….. > But, by now, I think many ppl have filtered you out anyway, so you may > have lost a very valuable tool. This group is a wonderful thing, all these > talented ppl willing to share, IF you have an open mind to let it in.
When people put on blinders and make snap, preconceived judgements, they rob themselves as well. Also…what of the guy bashing me that I am neglecting my wife with MS….that I should be bashed because I was offering SSA disability advise on the MS group…..this is the kind of stuff I am seeing…..there seen to be people here just to flame….which is normal for any newgroup. Was he asking a valid question….offering advise…or just getting a punch in…..I am not saying "join my side against him", and if he is your friend, whatever…..however, that was a recent post. > So, really, take a few days off, then come back and read your own posts, > along with the others, and see if you can see this thru a different light. > I’m not talking about some childish attitude, like ‘who started what first’, > but as an adult. (And please don’t e-mail me.) You needn’t even answer this > post, it was simply an observation, nothing here you have to defend. It > wasn’t an attack, at all. Just chill.
I do not view this as an attack….I am not sure if you read all the posts that flamed me…..can’t blame you if you did not. If little useful information is available here, I will not hang around…Someone made an interesting comment on the OFA database, which seems to be very inaccurate…I am interested in where that goes….however, I will probably be flamed since I am questioning why someone would tell me that a breeder of one of my dogs is of questionable integrity (perhaps), but will not tell me which…..I am confused by this type of information….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> MaryBeth
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> i trained the dog to walk and heel for control purposes… I think a good > dog, in public, when the master stops walking, it immediately sits, > preferably looking straight ahead. However, since that is the engrained > response (no hand signals, words, ect), it must be unlearned.
Train them to stand when you tell them to. It’s not hard. Really. > I don’t like hand movements, because in public then it looks like you are > showing off or something….
Use your voice. My dogs are trained to both voice ("Stand") and hand signals to stand, since I find hand signals useful. The and signas certainly aren’t necessary though. Karen
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I tried to make a joke….you did not get it… Dog was bathed, blown, nails trimmed, whiskers trimmed….I have been to handling class…I went for a couple weeks before the shows, monthly until the last couple months…..the problem is I am rural and it is 45 miles away….and basketball games are tuesday nights…. However, explain the chalk, if you wish….I have not heard of that….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->efensive…or cynical…. >I don’t need to look at the pix….I have the dogs….LOL >It is possible, but would have been easier had the sit part had not been >engrained from 4-12 months or so, when I started practicing in ring with >her…..they will also, sometimes, with no warning, decide to sit when >walking in the ring…..out of no where…..eventually they will learn >it…..they are stubborn….it is their tempermant > You are being just plan silly now. My last post to you. I tried to help. I > USE A VIDEO CAMERA to help me learn. IT ISN"T A COMMENT on HER front but your > Crappy presentation of her. LOOK! Her front legs are NOT under her and the > legs too close. Jusges are looking at presentation, they do not have the time > to sort out a dog from the poor handler. If you can’t at least learn to handle > your dogs, then just spay them and give up, because you won’t find someone to > handle for you. Or hire a KID! Jr’s would at least make her LOOK like an > Akita. Did you at least GROOM her? Was she bathed and blown, her nails > trimmed, maybe whiskers sheared? Do they chalk your breed? I think they do, > to get the hair to stand out and away. If not, get thee to a handling class. > Akita’s CAN be trained to do breed. OR are the Ch behind your dogs lies. > Sheesh. I quit.
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> defensive…or cynical…. > I don’t need to look at the pix….I have the dogs….LOL
You might want to try looking at pictures and or videos. You can’s see what you are doing that may affect the dog in the ring and you certainly do not have anything approaching the angle the judge has. Looking at your dogs won’t tell you a thing about how you are presenting them in the ring. You should also talk to the girls’ breeders, who obviously show. It is in their interest to see that dogs from their lines do as well as possible. > It is possible, but would have been easier had the sit part had not been > engrained from 4-12 months or so, when I started practicing in ring with > her….
So teach her something else. My about 14 week old puppy is well along to learning automatic sits for stopping on a leash, greeting people and recalls. She’s also learning to do sit from down, sit from stand, down from sit, down from stand, stand from sit and stand from down. Let me tell you, this is actually easier with an older dog. Older dogs have a longer attention span. 
The pup is a pulled from a kill shelter rescue who has been here less than 3 weeks. .they will also, sometimes, with no warning, decide to sit when > walking in the ring…..out of no where…..eventually they will learn > it…..they are stubborn….it is their tempermant
Nope. Go talk to the Akita breeders. Try http://www.sukinaakitas.com Make sure to read the "Why we are different section too." IME, across a wide variety of breeds, the x breed is hard to train, they are stubborn is an excuse for lack of training. BTW, I’m not saying that you are doing it, in fact I bet you learned it about Akitas from someone else. It easier to say the breed is hard to train than it is to figure out what motivates the individual dog one is training.. It also gives them an excuse for poor manners.. Breeds can have different temperaments, but I’ve seen far too many dogs of allegedly difficult breeds doing just fine in obedience classes. Try clicker training if other things you have tried haven’t worked for you and your dogs. Do a search on clicker training and you should way to many hits. You might also see if Diane has any links at http://www.dog-play.com She probably does. Karen
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> defensive…
I believe defensive. Look, we get so many ppl that come in here peddling pups. You came in and no one knew anything about you. And as it is a discussion group, many of the ppl are going to ask questions. Maybe some of them didn’t do it exactly how *you* would have liked, but they were serious questions in the very beginning. You got some very serious answers and more questions. You came off as EXTREMELY defensive and started this whole thing with Robin, who, BTW, is one of the most knowledgeable breeders here. We ask ANYONE who comes in out of the cold the same thing, *you’re not unique*. Then as you started to sling the defensive answers back many ppl took a look at that and made some observations. Like, how ppl who answer your questions get ‘attacked’ when doing so. Mindy is *so* right on target with the defensiveness she noted. We ALL have noted it. Right here in this new thread, you asked a serious question for help , offering an olive branch. Mindy gave you a *great* reply. Like looking at your bitch, in the mirror, and trying to match her stacking with the ones in the picture. (I haven’t seen said pic, just going on this part of the conversation.) But then you answer, > I don’t need to look at the pix….I have the dogs….LOL
Now, sincerely, exactly what part of the helpful info that Mindy gave you made you decide ‘you don’t have to look at pix’??? This is dead serious. If you look at the way they are stacked, and try to get your bitch to do You asked for help, you got it. But you rebuff it in every way. (And the old LOLs are getting rather droll, BTW.) I, and I’m sure, the rest of the group, understand that you taught her to sit. I don’t show, I don’t breed, I do have four dogs that I adopted from shelters or rescued. But even *I* can see what she is talking about. If you have shown, you do understand these things MUCH better than me, correct? Then listen to Mindy, Robin, Diane, Ann; many of these ppl are either breeders, or do obedience and such a variety of work with their dogs. They KNOW what they are saying. If you keep this up with the LOL and the rebuffing every helpful tip you get, how do you come to the conclusion that anyone here , at all, should offer their time and help? In the real world all of the wonderful helpful opportunities that are offered here, would cost big bucks. But here you get them for FREE, and toss them back in ppl’s faces. I, (and I know I’m not alone here!!!!!), can’t understand where the heck you’re coming from. You are the most *defensive* poster I have seen in the five years I’ve been here. You need to chill out, go listen to some music, then come back in a few days, and try again. With an OPEN MIND. You know, the thing you accuse everyone else of lacking? An old saying. You go out one day at you meet an asshole. You can go along and chalk it up to *them* having a bad day. You go out the next day, and *everyone* is an asshole. Who do you think is lacking in critical thinking here, if you still believe that *everyone* here is an asshole, and *you* are the *only* one who isn’t? I’m sincerely not calling you an asshole, it’s just that you are coming off as ‘everyone here is attacking you’. But you ask a question, get an answer, then rebuff it, it’s just not very cool, and you KNOW that, if you have any sense at all. But, by now, I think many ppl have filtered you out anyway, so you may have lost a very valuable tool. This group is a wonderful thing, all these talented ppl willing to share, IF you have an open mind to let it in. So, really, take a few days off, then come back and read your own posts, along with the others, and see if you can see this thru a different light. I’m not talking about some childish attitude, like ‘who started what first’, but as an adult. (And please don’t e-mail me.) You needn’t even answer this post, it was simply an observation, nothing here you have to defend. It wasn’t an attack, at all. Just chill. MaryBeth
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> OK mud, I will bite…. > Given that others are saying, that from the pix on my site my dogs are > "OBVIOUSLY" pet quality, inferior, ect… > are you serious or just trolling…if serious, I am looking for advice > BTW…I trained all dogs to sit when on leash and we stop walking…..that > was before I knew that it would have to be unlearned for the ring…
Nope. You don’t need to have them unlearn that. You need to teach them to stand on command. All of my dogs dog it/have done it. It’s useful in the breed ring, necessary in the obedience ring and useful in everyday life. .my > biggest problem is that as soon as I stop walking, the dog sits…they were > trained like that from a few months of age…..I work them everyday except > in winter (lots of snow here), and while the sitting has stopped, getting > them to position is another matter.
Worry about getting them to stop in a stand first, then teach them a stay in the stand position. After they have that work on stacking them. Many GSD learn to go into the classic GSD stack from moving. You can always help them into position if they know to stay where you place them. Try finding an obedience book geared at competition that you feel comfortable with to get some ideas. Or enroll in an obedience class, Obedience is not counter to conformation. The handler just needs to be aware that there can be more put on command that is seen in obedience. The reason for the geared at competition is that household books rarely include stand as a command. The one exception I can thing of is Ian Dunbar’s _You Can Teach A New Dog Old Tricks_. It’s a wonderful book. I highly recommend it to go with puppies. (Older dogs too, though it’s geared more to pups). Karen
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>efensive…or cynical…. >I don’t need to look at the pix….I have the dogs….LOL >It is possible, but would have been easier had the sit part had not been >engrained from 4-12 months or so, when I started practicing in ring with >her…..they will also, sometimes, with no warning, decide to sit when >walking in the ring…..out of no where…..eventually they will learn >it…..they are stubborn….it is their tempermant
You are being just plan silly now. My last post to you. I tried to help. I USE A VIDEO CAMERA to help me learn. IT ISN"T A COMMENT on HER front but your Crappy presentation of her. LOOK! Her front legs are NOT under her and the legs too close. Jusges are looking at presentation, they do not have the time to sort out a dog from the poor handler. If you can’t at least learn to handle your dogs, then just spay them and give up, because you won’t find someone to handle for you. Or hire a KID! Jr’s would at least make her LOOK like an Akita. Did you at least GROOM her? Was she bathed and blown, her nails trimmed, maybe whiskers sheared? Do they chalk your breed? I think they do, to get the hair to stand out and away. If not, get thee to a handling class. Akita’s CAN be trained to do breed. OR are the Ch behind your dogs lies. Sheesh. I quit.
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>BTW…I trained all dogs to sit when on leash and we stop walking…..that >was before I knew that it would have to be unlearned for the ring….my >biggest problem is that as soon as I stop walking, the dog sits…they were >trained like that from a few months of age…..I work them everyday except
train, train, train!! Seriously, they can learn…they’ll cue off of your body language. And, in conformation you can TELL them to stand! Ann, Twzl, Sligo (who won a UKC BIS on the same day he earned his first CDX leg) and Roy — Whenever A annoys or injures B on the pretense of saving or improving X, A is a scoundrel. – H. L. Mencken
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i trained the dog to walk and heel for control purposes… I think a good dog, in public, when the master stops walking, it immediately sits, preferably looking straight ahead. However, since that is the engrained response (no hand signals, words, ect), it must be unlearned. I don’t like hand movements, because in public then it looks like you are showing off or something…. The next dog will be conditioned with "sit" spoke quietly, Hence, the problem is breaking the pattern..which is just about done, as of last summer….however the dog will randomly (not every time shown, practiced, ect…just out of the blue), just decide it want to sit and not move….they can be stubborn. Not necessarily in the ring…out in public as well….it is rare, and there never seems to be a reason except to screw with you….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It is possible, but would have been easier had the sit part had not been >engrained from 4-12 months or so, when I started practicing in ring with >her.. > Were you practicing for obedience competition? If not, why the heck would you > have your dog sit in the breed ring? > Dogstar716 > Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html > "AKC papers do not mean you are getting > a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy > mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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>OK mud, I will bite…. >Given that others are saying, that from the pix on my site my dogs are >"OBVIOUSLY" pet quality, inferior, ect… >are you serious or just trolling…if serious, I am looking for advic
If you want advice fine, you are the most DEFENSIVE character I have ever written to. LOOK at the pix then ask again. You DO know you can stack her in the ring. I don’t believe AKITA’S are stupid, so it should be possible to teach her to gait and stack, separate from heel and sit. Geez, I did it here with the non working Springers.
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defensive…or cynical…. I don’t need to look at the pix….I have the dogs….LOL It is possible, but would have been easier had the sit part had not been engrained from 4-12 months or so, when I started practicing in ring with her…..they will also, sometimes, with no warning, decide to sit when walking in the ring…..out of no where…..eventually they will learn it…..they are stubborn….it is their tempermant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->OK mud, I will bite…. >Given that others are saying, that from the pix on my site my dogs are >"OBVIOUSLY" pet quality, inferior, ect… >are you serious or just trolling…if serious, I am looking for advic > If you want advice fine, you are the most DEFENSIVE character I have ever > written to. LOOK at the pix then ask again. You DO know you can stack her in > the ring. I don’t believe AKITA’S are stupid, so it should be possible to > teach her to gait and stack, separate from heel and sit. Geez, I did it here > with the non working Springers.
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>It is possible, but would have been easier had the sit part had not been >engrained from 4-12 months or so, when I started practicing in ring with >her..
Were you practicing for obedience competition? If not, why the heck would you have your dog sit in the breed ring? Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html "AKC papers do not mean you are getting a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida
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I agree with Mud. Her front legs do look too close together. I used to show my dalmatian. No she isn’t finished and that is because she had to have an emergency spay so she is no longer allowed in the breed ring. — April ~This is all my opinion. In no way am I wrong for having my own opinion.~
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OK mud, I will bite…. > Given that others are saying, that from the pix on my site my dogs are > "OBVIOUSLY" pet quality, inferior, ect… > are you serious or just trolling…if serious, I am looking for advice > BTW…I trained all dogs to sit when on leash and we stop walking…..that > was before I knew that it would have to be unlearned for the ring….my > biggest problem is that as soon as I stop walking, the dog sits…they were > trained like that from a few months of age…..I work them everyday except > in winter (lots of snow here), and while the sitting has stopped, getting > them to position is another matter. > I was looking at your show pix, and decided that a handling class would > really > be to your advantage. You have stacked her with her front legs way to > close > together and she appears to be postinga bit. Look closely at the other > bitches in the line and see how they are stacked. Try stacking her in > front of > a mirror. IT is nearly impossible to judge angles from the photo, and > obviously I can’t see her move.
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OK mud, I will bite…. Given that others are saying, that from the pix on my site my dogs are "OBVIOUSLY" pet quality, inferior, ect… are you serious or just trolling…if serious, I am looking for advice BTW…I trained all dogs to sit when on leash and we stop walking…..that was before I knew that it would have to be unlearned for the ring….my biggest problem is that as soon as I stop walking, the dog sits…they were trained like that from a few months of age…..I work them everyday except in winter (lots of snow here), and while the sitting has stopped, getting them to position is another matter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was looking at your show pix, and decided that a handling class would really > be to your advantage. You have stacked her with her front legs way to close > together and she appears to be postinga bit. Look closely at the other > bitches in the line and see how they are stacked. Try stacking her in front of > a mirror. IT is nearly impossible to judge angles from the photo, and > obviously I can’t see her move.
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I was looking at your show pix, and decided that a handling class would really be to your advantage. You have stacked her with her front legs way to close together and she appears to be postinga bit. Look closely at the other bitches in the line and see how they are stacked. Try stacking her in front of a mirror. IT is nearly impossible to judge angles from the photo, and obviously I can’t see her move.
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>Naw, I am about to killfile you. You’re nuts. A proclaimed "lawyer"? >(Its all on Deja News, an immediate archieve of all of one’s posts)
What did he say about being a lawyer??? Ann, twzl, Sligo and Roy — Whenever A annoys or injures B on the pretense of saving or improving X, A is a scoundrel. – H. L. Mencken
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unfortunately, newsgroups are full of hateful people with too much time on their hands…. however, while I seek to learn, diane is not sharing the information I seek….particularly which kennel in my dogs’ pedigree’s is notorious for hip problems… I will obviously ask people as I can….however her withholding it is interesting…. However, she does appear knowledgable and sane…I just do not understand the motive for a dog lover to withhold information that would benefit a dog…….however, her motives are her own……and I am sure you will agree with them….. As for your use of deja news…congratulations….you have a skill no one else has…LOL Actually, I am a lawyer….and I assist MS patients to get SSA disability without charge and without having to pay an attorney….you would know that if you read the MS group posts, but I guess you were just searching for flame material…I am sure people are impressed that you have given them more material with which to hate…I like the insinuation that my wife is neglected….LOL…notice how you cannot help but get a little more "hate" into your post….LOL….Notice how I have no lawyer web site….I don’t actually practice for profit…..but of course, your lawyer bashing is just a little more hate….in fact, you managed to say 6 hateful things in the few words you posted….you are at least efficient, I guess… …unfortunately, it says more about you than me…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> anyone that actually wants to offer advise and not attacks….I am > extending > the olive branch…… > I will check later…I have an early morning… > Naw, I am about to killfile you. You’re nuts. A proclaimed "lawyer"? > (Its all on Deja News, an immediate archieve of all of one’s posts) > You’re there, dude. In all your ‘"splendor" > I think you would do well to listen and learn, and take care of your wifes’ > MS first. Take heed of dog breeding , second, provided you can actually > learn and lose the ‘tude. > Diane….an email of your hip concern is greatly appreciated…it will be > helpful….. > I just hope you learn from it. She’s a damned good source of information. > If I had come here first, I might_ have gotten a GSD with HD-free hips. > Due to this group, I now know what to look for in a future breeder. > Hon? So far, you aren’t _the breeder I’d contact for any_ breed. > Oh, and if you want to respond, you just better do it here, not in email, > or you’re going to lose your ISP. > HTH! > Terri
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anyone that actually wants to offer advise and not attacks….I am extending the olive branch…… I will check later…I have an early morning… Diane….an email of your hip concern is greatly appreciated…it will be helpful…..
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> anyone that actually wants to offer advise and not attacks….I am extending > the olive branch……
My advice–join your national breed club and if there is a local one that too. Work on the VA title. Karen
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> anyone that actually wants to offer advise and not attacks….I am extending > the olive branch…… > I will check later…I have an early morning…
Naw, I am about to killfile you. You’re nuts. A proclaimed "lawyer"? (Its all on Deja News, an immediate archieve of all of one’s posts) You’re there, dude. In all your ‘"splendor" I think you would do well to listen and learn, and take care of your wifes’ MS first. Take heed of dog breeding , second, provided you can actually learn and lose the ‘tude. > Diane….an email of your hip concern is greatly appreciated…it will be > helpful…..
I just hope you learn from it. She’s a damned good source of information. If I had come here first, I might_ have gotten a GSD with HD-free hips. Due to this group, I now know what to look for in a future breeder. Hon? So far, you aren’t _the breeder I’d contact for any_ breed. Oh, and if you want to respond, you just better do it here, not in email, or you’re going to lose your ISP. HTH! Terri
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