Socialization Issues with Litter of One
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> Bingo! Another Dog Whore. Get a real job. > Kramer
What a total loser. You are one sad pathetic creature. Peter
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Yes, every preschooler should have a mid life crisis adult as playmate. Kramer Tricia9999 psychodribbled… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think someone said you could find good adult dogs for pup to play with. > Tricia McConnell and John Rogerson have both felt that this will go a long way > toward teaching the singleton how to be a dog. Good luck.
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Dog Whore. Jury returned its verdict. Kramer
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow, kramer! You just continue to sink lower and lower with your > heartless attacks. > It’s not KKramer, it’s Chip/Tony/etc. An old troll, who has been away > for a bit, but back now and starting to show his true identity. I *knew* it. > <G> There was a teeny hint in a few of his posts, but now it’s blazingly > obvious. He can’t seem to keep it cloaked. <G> > MaryBeth
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Tara, a Dog Whore? But, of course. Kramer Tara wrote nothing worth reading, either.
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Why are you so concerned with breaking the bond between mother and puppy? Kramer Nancy E. Holmes snip
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It sounds like your dogs suffer from the dullness of belonging to you. Unmitigated boredom. Kramer
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary > >of stangers and my goal it to counter this > >tendancy as much as possible. Lots of > >questions, I know, but I appreciate any imput. > >Thank you. > >Will Brewster > Hi Will~ > Having had Chessies most of my life I would say that is an > understatement. > Actually, of the two Chessies I have owned, the only real problem has been > separation anxiety and perhaps the unbridalled energy at sometimes > inconvenient times. I saw some separation anxieyt in the first as well as > the current dog so I must be doing something consistent to bring this > on. This same type of nervousness has led to anxiety only really when > great fun is anticipated (like getting loaded to hunt and right after > getting out of the truck and until we get moving). In the latter, the dog > just shakes and trembles with nervous energy. Once we get working > everything seems to settle down, but the nervousness beforehand is > sometimes unbearable. Other than that they have been a dream to train > and own. > Only one puppy? > Were there more,that died? > No, only one. I had xrays taken at 57 days and the vet swore there was no > pregnancy but a false manifestation. > How is Mom doing? > Mom is great. This was her first pregnancy and she is 5 1/2 years so I’m > not sure we will try again. > How old is she? > She sounds like she is young,that is why she isn’t > taking to this pup, either that or she knows the pup is not well. > I figured something out today. I may have made it sound like mom is > ignoring the pup. That is not accurate, she is quite focused on her > humans and is always aware of opening doors. She has to investigate every > movement and oftens hangs near the front door to catch the opportunities > to go out. I think what I should have said is that mom does not seem > interested in the same kind of play as the puppy, i.e. wrestling, chasing, > tumbling, etc. that are part of a normal litter. > We were home all weekend with doors open and access to the whole house > open. Mom has relaxed and is spending more time with the pup just > sleeping. So, perhaps she will be a good teacher after all. I have found > that with a stuffed dog, I can generate great enthusiasm for play in the > pup, with growling, barking and vigorous wrestling. > HAs the pup been seen by a vet yet? > She is four weeks today, so we only saw him briefly to remove the dewclaws > at three days. > Do you belong to any boards or lists? > Not for chessies or dogs at all. Are you on any good ones? > If you would like I could steer you in that direction as some other > Chessie breeders might be able to give you some help for this sole pup. > Also, the breeder I used has two litters due in a week or so. Since I > only got one she is willing to discount a pup. > Thanks. > Will > Paulette > and brown dogs four~ > A dogs life is too short… > Their only fault,really…
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Bingo! Another Dog Whore. Get a real job. Kramer
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> kkramer blared the insults: > > Why are you having litters? Easy money? What’s the story? Are you a dog > > whore? > > The stupidity of your query let’s me KNOW you’re a backyard hillbilly > > breeder. Your mistakes land in my lap. > > Kramer > Wow, kramer! You just continue to sink lower and lower with your > heartless attacks. > What are you doing in a ng for animal lovers anyways? > It’s impossible to imagine you taking care of an animal. > Peter > > > I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the > > > effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has > > > just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much > > > for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. > > > I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if > > > any) to a solo pup. > > > We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for > > > milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be > > > an inadequate substiture to siblings. > > > Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like > > > at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with > > > siblings? > > > I plan to keep her along with the mother and so the dynamic of mother as > > > alpha will be in full force until the pup matures (the mother will be > > > spayed after this litter). > > > Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it > > > to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, > > > but I appreciate any imput. > > > Thank you. > > > Will Brewster
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So, I flushed a Dog Whore out. Of course, you have credentials, right? Get a real job and quit living off the blood of dogs. Kramer
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am not sure you are interested in rational discourse. Thanks for using my > question to parade your adgenda here. I will say that your post kkramer, > does a disservice to the newsgroup rec.pets.dogs.behavior. > Although you could hardly be expected to glean it from my post, I am quite > familliar with the tennants of responsible dog breeding. What I asked about > is the particular issue of a solo litter. > Take your anger to alt.dog.breeders.pedantics > Will > kkramer blared the insults: > Why are you having litters? Easy money? What’s the story? Are you a dog > whore? > The stupidity of your query let’s me KNOW you’re a backyard hillbilly > breeder. Your mistakes land in my lap. > Kramer > > I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the > > effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has > > just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much > > for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. > > I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if > > any) to a solo pup. > > We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for > > milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be > > an inadequate substiture to siblings. > > Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like > > at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with > > siblings? > > I plan to keep her along with the mother and so the dynamic of mother as > > alpha will be in full force until the pup matures (the mother will be > > spayed after this litter). > > Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it > > to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, > > but I appreciate any imput. > > Thank you. > > Will Brewster
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> It’s not KKramer, it’s Chip/Tony/etc. An old troll, who has been away >for a bit, but back now and starting to show his true identity. I *knew* it.
Just my opinion, but I think Kramer is a different idiot entirely. — Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw "Man is a dog’s idea of what God should be." -Holbrook Jackson
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow, kramer! You just continue to sink lower and lower with your > heartless attacks. > It’s not KKramer, it’s Chip/Tony/etc. An old troll, who has been away > for a bit, but back now and starting to show his true identity. I *knew* it. > <G> There was a teeny hint in a few of his posts, but now it’s blazingly > obvious. He can’t seem to keep it cloaked. <G> > MaryBeth
– Heh, it’s Dogman !!! Before you buy.
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>Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary >of stangers and my goal it to counter this >tendancy as much as possible. Lots of >questions, I know, but I appreciate any imput. >Thank you. >Will Brewster
Hi Will~ Having had Chessies most of my life I would say that is an understatement. Only one puppy? Were there more,that died? How is Mom doing? How old is she? She sounds like she is young,that is why she isn’t taking to this pup, either that or she knows the pup is not well. HAs the pup been seen by a vet yet? I didn’t see your name in ACC. Do you belong to any boards or lists? If you would like I could steer you in that direction as some other Chessie breeders might be able to give you some help for this sole pup. Paulette and brown dogs four~ A dogs life is too short… Their only fault,really…
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I think someone said you could find good adult dogs for pup to play with. Tricia McConnell and John Rogerson have both felt that this will go a long way toward teaching the singleton how to be a dog. Good luck.
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> It’s not KKramer, it’s Chip/Tony/etc. An old troll, who has been away > for a bit, but back now and starting to show his true identity. I *knew* it. > <G> There was a teeny hint in a few of his posts, but now it’s blazingly > obvious. He can’t seem to keep it cloaked. <G>
So what was this guys deal, MaryBeth? He seems almost lucid for a couple of posts, and then he just goes nuts. Is it a medication thing, perhaps? Does he have anything at all to do with dogs? Or are we talking Bored Unsupervised Rebellious Preteen Syndrome here? (otherwise known as a case of BURPS) Tara
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> >Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary >of stangers and my goal it to counter this >tendancy as much as possible. Lots of >questions, I know, but I appreciate any imput. >Thank you. >Will Brewster > Hi Will~ > Having had Chessies most of my life I would say that is an > understatement.
Actually, of the two Chessies I have owned, the only real problem has been separation anxiety and perhaps the unbridalled energy at sometimes inconvenient times. I saw some separation anxieyt in the first as well as the current dog so I must be doing something consistent to bring this on. This same type of nervousness has led to anxiety only really when great fun is anticipated (like getting loaded to hunt and right after getting out of the truck and until we get moving). In the latter, the dog just shakes and trembles with nervous energy. Once we get working everything seems to settle down, but the nervousness beforehand is sometimes unbearable. Other than that they have been a dream to train and own. > Only one puppy? > Were there more,that died?
No, only one. I had xrays taken at 57 days and the vet swore there was no pregnancy but a false manifestation. > How is Mom doing?
Mom is great. This was her first pregnancy and she is 5 1/2 years so I’m not sure we will try again. > How old is she? > She sounds like she is young,that is why she isn’t > taking to this pup, either that or she knows the pup is not well.
I figured something out today. I may have made it sound like mom is ignoring the pup. That is not accurate, she is quite focused on her humans and is always aware of opening doors. She has to investigate every movement and oftens hangs near the front door to catch the opportunities to go out. I think what I should have said is that mom does not seem interested in the same kind of play as the puppy, i.e. wrestling, chasing, tumbling, etc. that are part of a normal litter. We were home all weekend with doors open and access to the whole house open. Mom has relaxed and is spending more time with the pup just sleeping. So, perhaps she will be a good teacher after all. I have found that with a stuffed dog, I can generate great enthusiasm for play in the pup, with growling, barking and vigorous wrestling. > HAs the pup been seen by a vet yet?
She is four weeks today, so we only saw him briefly to remove the dewclaws at three days. > Do you belong to any boards or lists?
Not for chessies or dogs at all. Are you on any good ones? > If you would like I could steer you in that direction as some other > Chessie breeders might be able to give you some help for this sole pup.
Also, the breeder I used has two litters due in a week or so. Since I only got one she is willing to discount a pup. Thanks. Will – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Paulette > and brown dogs four~ > A dogs life is too short… > Their only fault,really…
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>I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the >effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has >just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much >for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. >I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if >any) to a solo pup. >We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for >milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be >an inadequate substiture to siblings. >Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like >at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with >siblings?
I think it possibly could lead to difficulties, especially with a CBR. Perhaps you could inquire around for a sympathetic breeder who has a litter and who might be amenable to some together time with their puppies. The interaction with litter mates and other puppies of the same age can have a positive effect in especially in regard to confidence and social skills around other dogs and ’speaking’ dog. Bite inhibition is also developed by playing with other puppies. >Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it >to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, >but I appreciate any imput.
The handling and being around different people and different sights, sounds and smells should help in regard to making the puppy confident rather than spooky in dealing with people. The more ‘people socialization’ given the puppy, the fewer problems there will be in regard to inappropriate reactions on the part of the adult dog. You should remember that socialization with people, places, sounds, and other dogs are separate from each other. They are complimentary and cannot be substituted for each other. And it is important that the experiences the young puppy have are positive experiences, nothing too overwhelming or scary. Something that spooks or hurts a young puppy can easily carry over into adulthood. Ludwig Smith Dog FAQS http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/ rec.pets.dogs.info
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> kkramer blared the insults: > Why are you having litters? Easy money? What’s the story? Are you a dog > whore? > The stupidity of your query let’s me KNOW you’re a backyard hillbilly > breeder. Your mistakes land in my lap. > Kramer
Wow, kramer! You just continue to sink lower and lower with your heartless attacks. What are you doing in a ng for animal lovers anyways? It’s impossible to imagine you taking care of an animal. Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the > > effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has > > just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much > > for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. > > I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if > > any) to a solo pup. > > We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for > > milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be > > an inadequate substiture to siblings. > > Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like > > at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with > > siblings? > > I plan to keep her along with the mother and so the dynamic of mother as > > alpha will be in full force until the pup matures (the mother will be > > spayed after this litter). > > Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it > > to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, > > but I appreciate any imput. > > Thank you. > > Will Brewster
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> Wow, kramer! You just continue to sink lower and lower with your > heartless attacks.
It’s not KKramer, it’s Chip/Tony/etc. An old troll, who has been away for a bit, but back now and starting to show his true identity. I *knew* it. <G> There was a teeny hint in a few of his posts, but now it’s blazingly obvious. He can’t seem to keep it cloaked. <G> MaryBeth
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I am not sure you are interested in rational discourse. Thanks for using my question to parade your adgenda here. I will say that your post kkramer, does a disservice to the newsgroup rec.pets.dogs.behavior. Although you could hardly be expected to glean it from my post, I am quite familliar with the tennants of responsible dog breeding. What I asked about is the particular issue of a solo litter. Take your anger to alt.dog.breeders.pedantics Will kkramer blared the insults: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why are you having litters? Easy money? What’s the story? Are you a dog > whore? > The stupidity of your query let’s me KNOW you’re a backyard hillbilly > breeder. Your mistakes land in my lap. > Kramer > I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the > effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has > just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much > for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. > I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if > any) to a solo pup. > We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for > milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be > an inadequate substiture to siblings. > Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like > at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with > siblings? > I plan to keep her along with the mother and so the dynamic of mother as > alpha will be in full force until the pup matures (the mother will be > spayed after this litter). > Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it > to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, > but I appreciate any imput. > Thank you. > Will Brewster
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Start looking around for a good puppy kindergarten in your area. You want one that will let you join by 12 weeks at the latest (earlier would be better but take shots and local parvo problems into consideration) A puppy play group once classes are over would be a good choice too. Make sure you do separate activities with the pup as it grows so it won’t be dependent on mom for life! Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the >effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has >just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much >for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. >I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if >any) to a solo pup. >We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for >milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be >an inadequate substiture to siblings. >Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like >at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with >siblings? >I plan to keep her along with the mother and so the dynamic of mother as >alpha will be in full force until the pup matures (the mother will be >spayed after this litter). >Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it >to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, >but I appreciate any imput. >Thank you. >Will Brewster
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Why are you having litters? Easy money? What’s the story? Are you a dog whore? The stupidity of your query let’s me KNOW you’re a backyard hillbilly breeder. Your mistakes land in my lap. Kramer
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the > effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has > just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much > for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. > I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if > any) to a solo pup. > We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for > milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be > an inadequate substiture to siblings. > Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like > at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with > siblings? > I plan to keep her along with the mother and so the dynamic of mother as > alpha will be in full force until the pup matures (the mother will be > spayed after this litter). > Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it > to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, > but I appreciate any imput. > Thank you. > Will Brewster
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the > effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has > just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much > for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. > I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if > any) to a solo pup. > We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for > milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be > an inadequate substiture to siblings. > Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like > at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with > siblings? > I plan to keep her along with the mother and so the dynamic of mother as > alpha will be in full force until the pup matures (the mother will be > spayed after this litter). > Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it > to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, > but I appreciate any imput. > Thank you. > Will Brewster
The best thing you can do to counter any negative effects from your dogs separation is to find other dogs for your dog to play with regularly. Your dog is too young to take to a dog park (they can get parvo really easily until they have had all their shots) so you’ll have to find some friends for him to play with. Retrievers are pretty friendly dogs, I wouldn’t be so worried about any negative effects of his separtation.
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I have a litter of one Chesapeake Bay Dog and am concerned about the effects of having no litter mates. The pup is now four weeks, and has just begun to posess full capacities. Unfortunately, mom is not much for puppy play and stuffed animals are not very reactive. I hope the group can comment on the potential troubles and benifits (if any) to a solo pup. We are working on sensitivity by frequent handling and competing for milk with stuffed puppies once in a while,but I am affraid this may be an inadequate substiture to siblings. Can this lead to trouble socializing with other dogs down the road, like at 8-12 weeks? What behavioral tools are put in place by jousting with siblings? I plan to keep her along with the mother and so the dynamic of mother as alpha will be in full force until the pup matures (the mother will be spayed after this litter). Chesapeakes can be very protective and wary of stangers and my goal it to counter this tendancy as much as possible. Lots of questions, I know, but I appreciate any imput. Thank you. Will Brewster
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