why do so many people argue on this ng

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> I second that motion! > Anyone who can get so upset over such a nice guy as Sudhir *deserves* > to spend the rest of his life locked up in a very small room with ME.

Sorry, I’m don’t drink, therefore, I can’t visit you at the Betty Ford Clinic. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> {  :>D > — > Dogman > New! Dogman’s Book Recommendations > http://www.i1.net/~dogman/books.htm > About Hunting Retrievers > http://www.i1.net/~dogman/fieldtrl.htm > About The Finest Sour Mash Whisky Under The Sun > http://www.georgedickel.com > "Violence, when there are alternatives, is immoral. > Violence, when there are no alternatives, is survival." > Dogman > "Do unto others as they do unto you." > Dogman

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>Ooops, I almost forgot. I am learning to pick >my battles too.

Ha!!  Good one! Obviously, we all like it here, or we wouldn’t keep coming back. If anyone finds us argumentative, pedantic, dogmatic, boring, or childish, they have the option not to partake. Arguing can be fun and informative at the same time. A little sense of humor never hurt anyone either. Unfortunately things like sarcasm, irony, mockery, and satire (all of MY favorite forms of enjoying a good conversation) do not translate well in a written medium. So that scathing jab that would be accompanied by a twinkle in your eye face to face comes across as mean, evil, and nasty. Or it WAS mean, evil, and nasty!! At any rate, don’t take it to heart. We’re here to enjoy ourselves and maybe learn something too. If you don’t enjoy it, don’t do it. If you find it fun- knock yourself out. Unless, of course, someone is standing behind you with a gun to your head forcing you to read this…..

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> Saracasm?  Where?  Here?  No way!!!!

I know…..and for me to be a sarcastic person is so out of nature.   = ) > Do you prefer Zendog books?  There is more fiction there.  Fiction is > exciting.

Haven’t read them…..Just finished a Stephen King book though.

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Upon my taking a break from listening to the Kenny Wayne Shepherd >Redwing should stick around and get a new attitude.  Sudhir’s arguments are not >your typical newsgroup combative, ego-flexing exercises……Sudhir has been >one of the most thoughtful and informative posters on any of the rec.pets.dogs >ngs.  I recall his first post!  And I have come to respect his offerings.  We >all have benefitted by his presence.

I second that motion! Anyone who can get so upset over such a nice guy as Sudhir *deserves* to spend the rest of his life locked up in a very small room with ME. {  :>D — Dogman New! Dogman’s Book Recommendations http://www.i1.net/~dogman/books.htm About Hunting Retrievers http://www.i1.net/~dogman/fieldtrl.htm About The Finest Sour Mash Whisky Under The Sun http://www.georgedickel.com "Violence, when there are alternatives, is immoral. Violence, when there are no alternatives, is survival." Dogman "Do unto others as they do unto you." Dogman

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Saracasm?  Where?  Here?  No way!!!! Do you prefer Zendog books?  There is more fiction there.  Fiction is exciting.

: > Nope, dont know anything about tapeworms. : How about trees? : > Dont really care either. : Me neither. : > I am : > here because currently I want to be. : Ditto. : > Its free and its unmoderated so I : > say what I want. : Same here. : >  Some people like what I say and : > others dont.  If you dont like it or find it boring then dont read it. : I no longer do.   I fell asleep after the first 2 books you wrote. : > If you find it boring then either leave : Nope. : > or say something exciting. : Ok, we should drop nuclear warheads on China. : > : > OR : > keep saying what you are now.  It really is free.  Then again its your : > $19.95. : Nyet.    I work for an ISP.   Free, unlimted access.   My, how exciting it is.    Note : the sarcasm. : > : >

: > : > : > : > : > : > Redwing should stick around and get a new attitude. : > : > : I’ve been here for quite a while, thanks.    Don’t want a new attitude, I happen to : > : like the one I have.  If you don’t like it, too bad, I ain’t gonna change. : > : > : > Sudhir’s arguments are not : > : > your typical newsgroup combative, ego-flexing exercises……Sudhir has been : > : > one of the most thoughtful and informative posters on any of the rec.pets.dogs : > : > ngs. : > : > : Boring, boring, boring. : > : > : > I recall his first post!  And I have come to respect his offerings.  We : > : > all have benefitted by his presence. : > : > : > : > : Someone’s hooked on those Tony Robinson self help tapes. : > : > : > So sit down and behave yourself. : > : > : Go whine to someone who actually cares.   Maybe Sudhir.   Maybe he can enlighten us : > : with the genetic advances of the tapeworm.

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Nope, dont know anything about tapeworms.  Dont really care either. I am here because currently I want to be.  Its free and its unmoderated so I say what I want.  Some people like what I say and others dont.  If you dont like it or find it boring then dont read it.   If you find it boring then either leave or say something exciting.  OR keep saying what you are now.  It really is free.  Then again its your $19.95.

: > : > Redwing should stick around and get a new attitude. : I’ve been here for quite a while, thanks.    Don’t want a new attitude, I happen to : like the one I have.  If you don’t like it, too bad, I ain’t gonna change. : > Sudhir’s arguments are not : > your typical newsgroup combative, ego-flexing exercises……Sudhir has been : > one of the most thoughtful and informative posters on any of the rec.pets.dogs : > ngs. : Boring, boring, boring. : > I recall his first post!  And I have come to respect his offerings.  We : > all have benefitted by his presence. : > : Someone’s hooked on those Tony Robinson self help tapes. : > So sit down and behave yourself. : Go whine to someone who actually cares.   Maybe Sudhir.   Maybe he can enlighten us : with the genetic advances of the tapeworm.

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> Nope, dont know anything about tapeworms.

How about trees? > Dont really care either.

Me neither. > I am > here because currently I want to be.

Ditto. > Its free and its unmoderated so I > say what I want.

Same here. >  Some people like what I say and > others dont.  If you dont like it or find it boring then dont read it.

I no longer do.   I fell asleep after the first 2 books you wrote. > If you find it boring then either leave

Nope. > or say something exciting.

Ok, we should drop nuclear warheads on China. > OR > keep saying what you are now.  It really is free.  Then again its your > $19.95.

Nyet.    I work for an ISP.   Free, unlimted access.   My, how exciting it is.    Note the sarcasm. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > : > > : > Redwing should stick around and get a new attitude. > : I’ve been here for quite a while, thanks.    Don’t want a new attitude, I happen to > : like the one I have.  If you don’t like it, too bad, I ain’t gonna change. > : > Sudhir’s arguments are not > : > your typical newsgroup combative, ego-flexing exercises……Sudhir has been > : > one of the most thoughtful and informative posters on any of the rec.pets.dogs > : > ngs. > : Boring, boring, boring. > : > I recall his first post!  And I have come to respect his offerings.  We > : > all have benefitted by his presence. > : > > : Someone’s hooked on those Tony Robinson self help tapes. > : > So sit down and behave yourself. > : Go whine to someone who actually cares.   Maybe Sudhir.   Maybe he can enlighten us > : with the genetic advances of the tapeworm.

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Oh I bet if you think about it you met some nice people along the way too – its just that for some reason they are less memorable than the creeps you get to encounter in ANY group of people. I remember discussing breed club shenanigans with a non dog friend – she sighed and said ‘Oh, it sounds just like my church group!’ … Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My ex husband and I raised registered polled hereford cattle and I bred > Bullmastiffs for over 30 years (I dispersed my kennel a few years ago). The > dog world has no monopoly on nasty people or meaness!  Any group wherein there > is competition leads to discord as surely as night follows day.  That is the > nature of The Beast….."the beast" being of course, the fanciers of whatever > endeavor…….pick one, they are all alike! > Dellie Pfenninger

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Redwing should stick around and get a new attitude.  Sudhir’s arguments are not your typical newsgroup combative, ego-flexing exercises……Sudhir has been one of the most thoughtful and informative posters on any of the rec.pets.dogs ngs.  I recall his first post!  And I have come to respect his offerings.  We all have benefitted by his presence. So sit down and behave yourself.    

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>I remember discussing breed club shenanigans with a non dog friend – she >sighed and said ‘Oh, it sounds just like my church group!’ … >Nancy

Anyone who thinks *this* newsgroup is bad oughta check out the religious newsgroups.  They’re really somethin’ else. Maggie

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> Redwing should stick around and get a new attitude.

I’ve been here for quite a while, thanks.    Don’t want a new attitude, I happen to like the one I have.  If you don’t like it, too bad, I ain’t gonna change. > Sudhir’s arguments are not > your typical newsgroup combative, ego-flexing exercises……Sudhir has been > one of the most thoughtful and informative posters on any of the rec.pets.dogs > ngs.

Boring, boring, boring. > I recall his first post!  And I have come to respect his offerings.  We > all have benefitted by his presence.

Someone’s hooked on those Tony Robinson self help tapes. > So sit down and behave yourself.

Go whine to someone who actually cares.   Maybe Sudhir.   Maybe he can enlighten us with the genetic advances of the tapeworm.

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> Ooops, I almost forgot.  I am learning to pick my battles too.

So I’ve noticed.

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Ooops, I almost forgot.  I am learning to pick my battles too.

: > I love to argue. : We noticed. : > That is basically why I come here. : Obviously. : > Sometimes I even say : > things just to get some posts and see if there are any other opnions. : That almost borders on ‘trollism’.   Or boredom.   Probably both. : > I : > think I learn more about the do’s and dont’s of dog breeding here.  I : > wish I had known about this place earlier.  I like it here. : Addicted, much? : > : > : > : > : My ex husband and I raised registered polled hereford cattle and I bred : > : Bullmastiffs for over 30 years (I dispersed my kennel a few years ago).  The : > : dog world has no monopoly on nasty people or meaness!  Any group wherein there : > : is competition leads to discord as surely as night follows day.  That is the : > : nature of The Beast….."the beast" being of course, the fanciers of whatever : > : endeavor…….pick one, they are all alike! : > : Dellie Pfenninger

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> I love to argue.

We noticed. > That is basically why I come here.

Obviously. > Sometimes I even say > things just to get some posts and see if there are any other opnions.

That almost borders on ‘trollism’.   Or boredom.   Probably both. > I > think I learn more about the do’s and dont’s of dog breeding here.  I > wish I had known about this place earlier.  I like it here.

Addicted, much? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > : My ex husband and I raised registered polled hereford cattle and I bred > : Bullmastiffs for over 30 years (I dispersed my kennel a few years ago).  The > : dog world has no monopoly on nasty people or meaness!  Any group wherein there > : is competition leads to discord as surely as night follows day.  That is the > : nature of The Beast….."the beast" being of course, the fanciers of whatever > : endeavor…….pick one, they are all alike! > : Dellie Pfenninger

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Addicted is a strong word.  I guess its better than drugs!!!!!!  

: > I love to argue. : We noticed. : > That is basically why I come here. : Obviously. : > Sometimes I even say : > things just to get some posts and see if there are any other opnions. : That almost borders on ‘trollism’.   Or boredom.   Probably both. : > I : > think I learn more about the do’s and dont’s of dog breeding here.  I : > wish I had known about this place earlier.  I like it here. : Addicted, much? : > : > : > : > : My ex husband and I raised registered polled hereford cattle and I bred : > : Bullmastiffs for over 30 years (I dispersed my kennel a few years ago).  The : > : dog world has no monopoly on nasty people or meaness!  Any group wherein there : > : is competition leads to discord as surely as night follows day.  That is the : > : nature of The Beast….."the beast" being of course, the fanciers of whatever : > : endeavor…….pick one, they are all alike! : > : Dellie Pfenninger

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I love to argue.  That is basically why I come here.  Sometimes I even say things just to get some posts and see if there are any other opnions.  I think I learn more about the do’s and dont’s of dog breeding here.  I wish I had known about this place earlier.  I like it here.

: My ex husband and I raised registered polled hereford cattle and I bred : Bullmastiffs for over 30 years (I dispersed my kennel a few years ago).  The : dog world has no monopoly on nasty people or meaness!  Any group wherein there : is competition leads to discord as surely as night follows day.  That is the : nature of The Beast….."the beast" being of course, the fanciers of whatever : endeavor…….pick one, they are all alike! : Dellie Pfenninger

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Upon my taking a break from listening to the Kenny Wayne Shepherd Nayak) says: > I like it here.

[...] Me, too! :>) — Dogman New! Dogman’s Book Recommendations http://www.i1.net/~dogman/books.htm About Hunting Retrievers http://www.i1.net/~dogman/fieldtrl.htm About The Finest Sour Mash Whisky Under The Sun http://www.georgedickel.com "Violence, when there are alternatives, is immoral. Violence, when there are no alternatives, is survival." Dogman "Do unto others as they do unto you." Dogman

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My ex husband and I raised registered polled hereford cattle and I bred Bullmastiffs for over 30 years (I dispersed my kennel a few years ago).  The dog world has no monopoly on nasty people or meaness!  Any group wherein there is competition leads to discord as surely as night follows day.  That is the nature of The Beast….."the beast" being of course, the fanciers of whatever endeavor…….pick one, they are all alike! Dellie Pfenninger

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I subscribed to this ng to learn more about dogs and I see more arguments than info as I am very new to this group I mean noone any disrespect of any kind. I just don’t understand why there are so many people fighting.

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>I subscribed to this ng to learn more about dogs and I see more arguments >than info as I am very new to this group I mean noone >any disrespect of any kind. I just don’t understand why there are so many >people fighting.

Brenda, Try to understand that those of us who are deeply involved in the "dog world" in one capacity or another,are very passionate about the opinions we have.Aside from the silly name calling and insults,most "arguments" are not without merit,and both sides feel very strongly about their own position.    This is after all a discussion group.Now as for the other "stuff" that you see,many of them just ,I truly believe love a fight,and many of them become entertaining after a while.    I wouldn’t worry about it too much,just get involved in the topics that interest you.There are things to be learned in this NG…I for one have benefited already!     Rachel

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> I subscribed to this ng to learn more about dogs and I see more arguments > than info as I am very new to this group I mean noone > any disrespect of any kind. I just don’t understand why there are so many > people fighting.

Brenda, It comes and goes.  Being a public, unmoderated group, it is easy for things to get out of control and slide off base.  Some people really seem to enjoy the sparring and "battles of wits (or what passes for wits)" that they get into. What I do is as soon as I don’t like the way a thread is heades, I don’t read it any more.  There are also certain topics I don’t get into, either.  You’ll learn the names of the people who post things along the lines you are looking for, and you’ll pick up threads they’re involved with.  Same for people who are troublemakers or trolls.  If they enter a thread, stop reading that one. There are also some nice subscription e-mail lists for all sorts of dog topics, from general all-breed or mixed-breed ones, to breed or activity specific ones.  If you go to http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/, there is a list off all of them and how to subscribe.  Being moderated (most of them) they have definite rules that are generally followed and are less confrontational than Usenet.  I compare my golden list and usenet, and it is like a warm pool versus an acid bath!  But there is often a lot of good information out here in Usenet, if you can wade through the garbage to get to it. Lori Retrieve A Golden of Minnesota http://www.ragom.org

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