Golden Retreiver??

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>This does not allow you to abuse me … I have opinions just like others. >When you can live in a country that strips you of your rights and beats >people on a regular basis – you may look differently at life also!!!

I am not abusing you.  Trust me, you’d know if I was. >So .. still think I am troll?!

You are unquestionably a troll.  Only a troll would come onto a dog breeds newsgroup and start talking about eating dogs and banning pit bulls.  It’s a pitiful attempt to get people all up in arms so you can laugh.  If by some slim chance you are not a troll, and you really believe you are contributing something here, let me be the first to tell you that you’re wrong.   Fortunately, school starts again soon…. Sally Hennessey

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> So .. still think I am troll?! > Jenny

Yes you are still a troll, and not even one of the better ones I’ve seen recently. If you don’t like living where you live – move, but don’t use it as an excuse for being ignorant. Alan

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>This does not allow you to abuse me … I have opinions just like others. >When you can live in a country that strips you of your rights and beats >people on a regular basis – you may look differently at life also!!! >So .. still think I am troll?!

Sorry, I guess I still do. Nic Brando the APBT Grant the AmStaff Buster the Pug of Darkness

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Sally, I guess that makes you the local expert.  My love for animals is just as stong as anybody elses here – my interest may be different and my culture not be like those "stuffed shirt" Americans but … This does not allow you to abuse me … I have opinions just like others. When you can live in a country that strips you of your rights and beats people on a regular basis – you may look differently at life also!!! So .. still think I am troll?! Jenny

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I find her posts distressing, but she is obviously of a different >culture and society than most of us. In many third world countries, >eating of dog is considered normal and a delicacy. (Do not think I agree >or support this, but it is a fact) >I do not feel we have a right to judge another culture or society. Nor >would I give this woman a dog. Nor could I advise her of anything as our >cultures are so different, I could find no common grounds to >communicate. >I also feel she should not be judged, nor should she judge us. > She’s a TROLL, folks.  You know, someone who comes into a newsgroup > and says outrageous things just to stir people up? > Sally Hennessey

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Hello, Who is judging?!  I am merely participating in a newsgroup that I have interest in! If you don’t like my posts  (you obviously do otherwise you would not search my post to read)  don’t read them. This is not a hard concept.  My name is Jenny Turtle.  If you see a post with my name, skip or delete it.   You do know how to do that don’t you??!!! Jenny

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I find her posts distressing, but she is obviously of a different > culture and society than most of us. In many third world countries, > eating of dog is considered normal and a delicacy. (Do not think I agree > or support this, but it is a fact) > I do not feel we have a right to judge another culture or society. Nor > would I give this woman a dog. Nor could I advise her of anything as our > cultures are so different, I could find no common grounds to > communicate. > I also feel she should not be judged, nor should she judge us. > > : Hello, > > : After reading your post – I suggest a nice cat. > > First of all, I saw nothing wrong with her post, and secondly, cats > > require a lot of responsibility too! Please don’t refer people you think > > don’t take care well of dogs to cats. > did you see any of her other posts? So you agree about eating dogs? You > agree that Pit Bulls are ‘The menace to society’? She is a troll. > — > Punish the deed, not the breed.

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damn…. i’m sorry i missed the event… but maybe with the heat i got lucky?? i WILL make it next year… please hit me over the head with a reminder….. was this in the Dogs book from CKC???… damn, i have to learn how to read that magazine kate ps… thanks for the update….and hey…. agility is FAR more interesting.. of course you had the biggest audience…. LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> did you go to the show???… can you share with us.. i > missed the whole thing… where was your warning?? >I’ve grown weary of warning all of you Calgarians that hang >out here.  Y’all never come.  Anyway, I forgot – sorry. >I was there for three hot days, but only competed today, though. >I was originally going camping, but that’s a long story. >It was a good agility show.  I didn’t spend a lot of time >checking out the conformation and obedience since all the best >dogs also do agility, so I knew that I’d see them in our area. >For those that don’t know, this is the largest outdoor CKC show >(in Canada, ‘natch).  What makes it interesting is that the >associated agility competition is not CKC (very similar to AKC >agility), but NADAC.  Even though all the cool agility mutts >(and BCs) aren’t allowed on the rest of the show grounds, we had >the biggest, and most vocal, audience of the weekend. >– >–Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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After reading this post – I suggest you mind your own business. I can post just like you!! Goodbye! Jenny P.S.  The cat was a nice non-abusive answer!  Do you have a cat??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, > After reading your post – I suggest you stop posting. > Hello, > After reading your post – I suggest a nice cat.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> t… > > Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, > > a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. > > She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown > > any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has > > lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems. So > > we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver > > puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have > > thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, > > two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other > > threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and > > that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any > > input I would appreciate it. > > Thanks!! > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– > — > Punish the deed, not the breed.

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did you go to the show???… can you share with us.. i missed the whole thing… where was your warning??

tee hee kate

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> did you go to the show???… can you share with us.. i > missed the whole thing… where was your warning??

I’ve grown weary of warning all of you Calgarians that hang out here.  Y’all never come.  Anyway, I forgot – sorry. I was there for three hot days, but only competed today, though.   I was originally going camping, but that’s a long story. It was a good agility show.  I didn’t spend a lot of time checking out the conformation and obedience since all the best dogs also do agility, so I knew that I’d see them in our area. For those that don’t know, this is the largest outdoor CKC show (in Canada, ‘natch).  What makes it interesting is that the associated agility competition is not CKC (very similar to AKC agility), but NADAC.  Even though all the cool agility mutts (and BCs) aren’t allowed on the rest of the show grounds, we had the biggest, and most vocal, audience of the weekend. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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: did you see any of her other posts? So you agree about eating dogs? You : agree that Pit Bulls are ‘The menace to society’? She is a troll. The original poster? No, I haevn’t. But my second point still stands, why are you referring som eone you disagree with their care of dogs to cats? If she can’t take care of dogs well, why would she take care of cats well? No you don’t have to walk them but ou have to clean their litterbox, train them to not claw furniture, take them to the vet and pay vet bills, the still are a large responsibility. Maybe not quite as large as a dog but that doesn’t mean that some one who doesn’t treat a dog well will treat a cat well. Tigress — The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation.  People just aren’t worth very much any more, and they know it.  Makes ‘em testy. …Bev     |    _,,,—,,_          Tigress    /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_     http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress  ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)         Cat by Felix Lee.

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[posted and mailed] .earthlink.net: > So all those who > are saying I am a troll, get a clue.  And if this was a bad > question to ask, I am not apologizing, how was I to know?

The troll responses were to someone other that you, Kathleen. ("Jenny Turtle" is the lastest and lamest troll here – sorry, you’ll have to get used to them). You’ve received some great responses, take from them what you will. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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In article > Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, > a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. > She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown > any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has > lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems.   So > we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver > puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have > thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, > two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other > threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and > that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any > input I would appreciate it. > Thanks!!

Ok, I think you guys must have me mixed up with someone else.  I have not posted here before and this is my FIRST post.  I simply got one here to ask a question about getting another dog and I thought what a good place to do it on a news group frequented by other dog owners.  So all those who are saying I am a troll, get a clue.  And if this was a bad question to ask, I am not apologizing, how was I to know?   To answer a few other questions, we live in southern california, near the beach, have a decent size yard and a dog door so the dogs are allowed free roam of the house.  My Chow gets groomed regularly and so would the next dog.  I don’t mind shedding either.   My kids want a dog they can take camping, to the beach and lakes around here and on hikes around the neighborhood.  We live in the ocuntry so much area to roam and when the boys get bigger I would like a dog that is a campanion to them when they go out exploring.  We also go to the beach every week, out camping and outdoors alot and it would be funt o take the dog. The Chow is very friendly to other dogs and yes she is more laid back and I realize it may pose a problem, but not one I am willing to deal with.  She is used to sharing her home with other animals and has adapted the kids well.  She just stays away from them, doesn’t growl, and never wants to play.   So thanks to all those that had legitamate helpfull responces I really appreciate it and it will help in the decision I will make soon. KAthleen Wallace

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>I find her posts distressing, but she is obviously of a different >culture and society than most of us. In many third world countries, >eating of dog is considered normal and a delicacy. (Do not think I agree >or support this, but it is a fact) >I do not feel we have a right to judge another culture or society. Nor >would I give this woman a dog. Nor could I advise her of anything as our >cultures are so different, I could find no common grounds to >communicate. >I also feel she should not be judged, nor should she judge us.

She’s a TROLL, folks.  You know, someone who comes into a newsgroup and says outrageous things just to stir people up?   Sally Hennessey

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> : Hello, > : After reading your post – I suggest a nice cat. > First of all, I saw nothing wrong with her post, and secondly, cats > require a lot of responsibility too! Please don’t refer people you think > don’t take care well of dogs to cats.

did you see any of her other posts? So you agree about eating dogs? You agree that Pit Bulls are ‘The menace to society’? She is a troll. — Punish the deed, not the breed.

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I find her posts distressing, but she is obviously of a different culture and society than most of us. In many third world countries, eating of dog is considered normal and a delicacy. (Do not think I agree or support this, but it is a fact) I do not feel we have a right to judge another culture or society. Nor would I give this woman a dog. Nor could I advise her of anything as our cultures are so different, I could find no common grounds to communicate. I also feel she should not be judged, nor should she judge us. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> : Hello, > : After reading your post – I suggest a nice cat. > First of all, I saw nothing wrong with her post, and secondly, cats > require a lot of responsibility too! Please don’t refer people you think > don’t take care well of dogs to cats. > did you see any of her other posts? So you agree about eating dogs? You > agree that Pit Bulls are ‘The menace to society’? She is a troll. > — > Punish the deed, not the breed.

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: Hello, : After reading your post – I suggest a nice cat. First of all, I saw nothing wrong with her post, and secondly, cats require a lot of responsibility too! Please don’t refer people you think don’t take care well of dogs to cats. Tigress — The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation.  People just aren’t worth very much any more, and they know it.  Makes ‘em testy. …Bev     |    _,,,—,,_          Tigress    /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_     http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress  ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)         Cat by Felix Lee.

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Hello, After reading your post – I suggest a nice cat.

t… > Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, > a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. > She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown > any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has > lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems.   So > we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver > puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have > thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, > two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other > threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and > that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any > input I would appreciate it. > Thanks!!

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Hello, After reading your post – I suggest you stop posting. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello, > After reading your post – I suggest a nice cat. > t… > Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, > a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. > She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown > any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has > lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems.   So > we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver > puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have > thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, > two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other > threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and > that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any > input I would appreciate it. > Thanks!! > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

– Punish the deed, not the breed.

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Hi I was in the same situation.  My boys are 11 and 3 and my dog a mixed border collie is "my" dog.  He loves the kids but doesn’t care to play with them and growls alot when they run around or try to make of him. We recently went to the SPCA and adopted a female mixed Retreiver puppy. (Her dad was a PB Ret. mom a mutt)  She’s a doll and everything I’d hoped for.  My other dog growls at her to when she gets to loving and playful with him but loves her as well, comes straight to her rescue if any other dog comes in the yard near her. We are going to teach her to fetch for my youngest, he loves to play ball.   Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, > a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. > She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown > any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has > lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems.   So > we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver > puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have > thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, > two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other > threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and > that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any > input I would appreciate it. > Thanks!!

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>Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, >a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. >She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown >any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has >lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems.   So >we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver

You don’t say if your Chow is a housedog or not, but Goldens MUST live in the house with you. They can not be yard dogs. >puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have >thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, >two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other >threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and >that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any >input I would appreciate it.

Goldens can be very, very pushy. With little kids you can expect that if you do not keep an eye on things, the Golden will probably be in charge of toys and space. They won’t attack the kids, they’l just lie down on any toys that they want, and that the kid looks like he wants. Young Goldens are very active. They need tons of exercise. They will not self exercise for the most part…you need to go out with them. A short walk around the block won’t cut it. Goldens who are not exercised enough will be destructive. Since they need to be house dogs, this means destroying your house. Goldens are usually excellent diggers. They also will bark if you stick them in the yard by themselves, or with just another dog. Goldens need grooming. They have thick double coats, and they shed like nobody’s business. You can expect to have Golden fur all over the house, in anything you own. They love water. If it rains, the typical Golden will go out and stomp in every puddle, roll in some, and then want to come in and roll on the rugs. I love them, but they are not big easy teddybears that need no attention or training. You may be fine with one, with your family: they really do love kids. But understand upfront the level of care and attention they need. Ann, Twzl, Sligo and Roy — Its up to your government to streamline the same laws to all states. Its hardly surprising so much abuse happens when there is no uniformity.<Patch>

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| One thing you should keep in mind is the difference in activity levels | between an adult Chow and a Golden Retreiver. Very good point.  A Golden, especially during the first few years of its life, may be a lot more than you expect. | Some Chows do not like overly energetic dogs pestering them either as a | puppy or an adult and will show their displeasure by growling or putting the | other dog in its place. Some will enjoy playing with a puppy up to a point. Another very good point.  The adult dog needs to be able to get away from the hyper-playful youngster when she desires. | Do not consider a female of any breed as female Chows do not usually get | along with other females.  (Same for males.) And yet another very good point.  This is especially true with breeds that have a reputation for aggression toward other dogs, as Chows do. | Your children are young enough that you have plenty of time to make a | careful decision. And if you wait till the children are old enough to be alone with the dog and help in its care, I think everybody will be better off for it.

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Hi Kathleen, I’d suggest waiting until your kids are bit older–for your sake, the kids’ sake, and the dog’s sake. Your sake: Adding a dog, especially an extremely active dog like a Golden, means taking on quite a handful.  Many dogs obtained for young children get neglected or turned over to "shelters" because of the added burden they pose to already busy mothers. Your kids’ sake: Young kids are vulnerable to *accidental* injury by dogs, especially boisterous and large dogs like Goldens.  They shouldn’t be left alone with very young children.  Also, older kids appreciate puppies and dogs more and can take part in their care. The dog’s sake:  Young kids accidentally injure and even kill puppies and adult dogs all the time.  They shouldn’t be left alone with a dog.  Also, the dog is likely to enjoy the kids’ company as much as yours when the kids are old enough to be responsible alone with the dog. Disadvantages to Owning A Golden Retriever http://www.gaylans.com/disadvantages.html Golden Retriever FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS http://home.att.net/~johnwaf/indexfaq.html So You Want A Golden Retriever Puppy? http://www.goldens.org/puppy.htm Frequently  Asked  Questions  ~ About  Goldens ! http://www.silmaril.on.ca/page10.html#FAQS Jeff Jeff Harper jeff#doplay.com

t… | Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, | a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. | She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown | any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has | lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems.   So | we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver | puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have | thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, | two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other | threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and | that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any | input I would appreciate it. | Thanks!!

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Goldens are wonderful dogs. I myself haven’t seen any aggression problems, but I hear it can be there. That is one of the qestions you would want to ask of a breeder. Also Goldens can have Hip Dysplasia so be sure the breeder OFA’s or PennHips his/her breeding stock. Goldens can have pretty bad allergy problems as well, so be sure that is also included on your list of questions. Now, this isn’t as bad as it sounds. Goldens are great dogs, as long as you find a responsible breeder. You might also consider Rescue. Whereabouts do you live? Virginia Cleary Rihadin Kennels http://rihadin.freeservers.com & The Crafty K9 http://craftyk9.theshoppe.com Phoenix, AZ

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t… > Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, > a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. > She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown > any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has > lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems.   So > we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver > puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have > thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, > two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other > threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and > that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any > input I would appreciate it. > Thanks!!

Hi, One thing you should keep in mind is the difference in activity levels between an adult Chow and a Golden Retreiver.  Your Chow sounds typically laid back, probably doesn’t spend much time running around.  A Golden is a very active dog that requires more exercise, training and "things to do." Some Chows do not like overly energetic dogs pestering them either as a puppy or an adult and will show their displeasure by growling or putting the other dog in its place. Some will enjoy playing with a puppy up to a point. Do not consider a female of any breed as female Chows do not usually get along with other females.  (Same for males.) I would definitely take my time learning about different breeds and what they are like to live with.  The AKC web site has information about 150 breeds!! Your children are young enough that you have plenty of time to make a careful decision. Let us know what you eventually chose. M

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Hi, my family and I are looking to get another dog.  We have one dog now, a female Chow, fixed about 6 years old who is mommy’s baby and guard dog. She ignores the kids and generally stays away from them, has never shown any aggression but isn’t friendly or playful with them at all.  She has lived with other dogs before and has been fine without any problems.   So we want to get another dog, and are considering a golden retreiver puppy.   The kids want a dog, one that will play and be fun.  We have thought of a beagle but don’t want a barker. My kids are 4.5 and almost 2, two boys.  I haven’t posted on here before and read a few of the other threads on getting the right dog, etc. I found only one thread on GRs and that was on aggression.  So anyone out there who has a GR and has any input I would appreciate it. Thanks!!

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