Large Breed (DDB) Puppy food & eventually Adult food

Question:

Steve,     I hear you as far as the glucosomine goes, my dog w/ dysplasia was taking as much as I do a day & I was feeding him Nutro w/ glucosamine as well. In conjunction with Ascription he really did well though.     As far as the puppy food goes . . . Thanks! I’ll recheck those bags to make sure I slow those little guys down! They get big too fast anyway. I only get a few months of cuddling on my lap, so any extra is a bonus! Well I can cuddle them on my lap when the grow up, but only the head. John

|     The level of glucosamine in a pet food is more of a marketing issue than | a therapeutic issue. In order to get the same dose as a dog would get from | the capsules and pills they would have to eat about 5 pounds of food a day | at minimum for a 40 pound dog. |     The issues with large breed dogs centers upon the prevention of | panosteitus, reduction in dysplasia, ununited anconeal process and other | skeletal problems. The "fix" for these skeletal problems is a reduction in | the rate of growth and a huge reduction in the level of calcium, from 1.3% | calcium for a small puppy to 1.0% for a large breed puppy. The reduction in | fat levels from a normal of 17% to 9% reduces the rate of growth. This will | not affect the finished size of the dog, it simply slows the process of | getting to final height. Look for a food with low calcium levels 1.1% or | lower and low fat levels around 9-10%. |     The idea of using an adult food as a substitute is not a good one. When | you use an adult food the amount of calcium actually goes up as a result of | decreased energy density and increased ingestion of the total amount of | food. An adult food may have 20% fewer calories but have virtually the same | level of calcium. The animal ingests about 20% more food to meet caloric | needs and thus gets 20% more calcium than it would have gotten on a large | breed puppy food to begin with. | | |

| > In a few weeks I’m going to be bringing home 2 new Dogue De Bordeaux pups | > (brother & sister companions). My previous DDB passed away a few months | ago, | > and we fed him Nutro Large Breed w/ Glucosomine (sp?). I’ve been reading | on | > this ng & on the web about dog foods & decided to do some shopping around. | > In my town I have access to Solid Gold, Innova, and Ca Natural. I’ve been | > leaning toward the Innova, because they are the only brand that has a | puppy | > formula (well at least that I can get a hold of anyway). My breeder is | > feeding Diamond to them now, and I’ll pick up some of that from him, and | > then start the switch over to whatever brand I choose. | > | > With our previous DDB we had to mix puppy & adult dog food to keep the | panos | > at bay. I guess I’m asking if anyone knows if that will also be the case | > with the above mentioned brands? Is there a particular brand that I’ve | > mentioned that is better for fast growing large breed dogs such as the | DDB? | > | > Also is one of these brands better for a large breed dog when they are | > adults? | > | > I’m going to discuss all of this with the breeder, I just thought I would | > also check the opinion of other large breed dog owners. | > | > I’m also interesting in cooking for them as well, and have just started to | > look into that. However,  I would like to have kibble on hand, and cook | when | > I can. | > | > TIA | > John | > | > | > | > | > | |

Response:

    The level of glucosamine in a pet food is more of a marketing issue than a therapeutic issue. In order to get the same dose as a dog would get from the capsules and pills they would have to eat about 5 pounds of food a day at minimum for a 40 pound dog.     The issues with large breed dogs centers upon the prevention of panosteitus, reduction in dysplasia, ununited anconeal process and other skeletal problems. The "fix" for these skeletal problems is a reduction in the rate of growth and a huge reduction in the level of calcium, from 1.3% calcium for a small puppy to 1.0% for a large breed puppy. The reduction in fat levels from a normal of 17% to 9% reduces the rate of growth. This will not affect the finished size of the dog, it simply slows the process of getting to final height. Look for a food with low calcium levels 1.1% or lower and low fat levels around 9-10%.     The idea of using an adult food as a substitute is not a good one. When you use an adult food the amount of calcium actually goes up as a result of decreased energy density and increased ingestion of the total amount of food. An adult food may have 20% fewer calories but have virtually the same level of calcium. The animal ingests about 20% more food to meet caloric needs and thus gets 20% more calcium than it would have gotten on a large breed puppy food to begin with.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In a few weeks I’m going to be bringing home 2 new Dogue De Bordeaux pups > (brother & sister companions). My previous DDB passed away a few months ago, > and we fed him Nutro Large Breed w/ Glucosomine (sp?). I’ve been reading on > this ng & on the web about dog foods & decided to do some shopping around. > In my town I have access to Solid Gold, Innova, and Ca Natural. I’ve been > leaning toward the Innova, because they are the only brand that has a puppy > formula (well at least that I can get a hold of anyway). My breeder is > feeding Diamond to them now, and I’ll pick up some of that from him, and > then start the switch over to whatever brand I choose. > With our previous DDB we had to mix puppy & adult dog food to keep the panos > at bay. I guess I’m asking if anyone knows if that will also be the case > with the above mentioned brands? Is there a particular brand that I’ve > mentioned that is better for fast growing large breed dogs such as the DDB? > Also is one of these brands better for a large breed dog when they are > adults? > I’m going to discuss all of this with the breeder, I just thought I would > also check the opinion of other large breed dog owners. > I’m also interesting in cooking for them as well, and have just started to > look into that. However,  I would like to have kibble on hand, and cook when > I can. > TIA > John

Response:

My boyfriend’s dog is 10 years old(large breed mutt) and takes Glucosamine supplements. So if you need it, you can always get it that way. Another frined of mine has a golden retriever who use to eat Diamond. At the breeders suggestion. She finally got fed up and switched. She switched to Science Diet. She was happy with the result(solid stools, breath,…). I feed my two, Nutros large breed lamb & rice. They do have a large breed puppy in the ‘natural choice’ line, so you could try that. I am not sure if it has the glucosamine in it. That’s the extent of my experience. Katherine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In a few weeks I’m going to be bringing home 2 new Dogue De Bordeaux pups > (brother & sister companions). My previous DDB passed away a few months ago, > and we fed him Nutro Large Breed w/ Glucosomine (sp?). I’ve been reading on > this ng & on the web about dog foods & decided to do some shopping around. > In my town I have access to Solid Gold, Innova, and Ca Natural. I’ve been > leaning toward the Innova, because they are the only brand that has a puppy > formula (well at least that I can get a hold of anyway). My breeder is > feeding Diamond to them now, and I’ll pick up some of that from him, and > then start the switch over to whatever brand I choose. > With our previous DDB we had to mix puppy & adult dog food to keep the panos > at bay. I guess I’m asking if anyone knows if that will also be the case > with the above mentioned brands? Is there a particular brand that I’ve > mentioned that is better for fast growing large breed dogs such as the DDB? > Also is one of these brands better for a large breed dog when they are > adults? > I’m going to discuss all of this with the breeder, I just thought I would > also check the opinion of other large breed dog owners. > I’m also interesting in cooking for them as well, and have just started to > look into that. However,  I would like to have kibble on hand, and cook when > I can. > TIA > John

Response:

In a few weeks I’m going to be bringing home 2 new Dogue De Bordeaux pups (brother & sister companions). My previous DDB passed away a few months ago, and we fed him Nutro Large Breed w/ Glucosomine (sp?). I’ve been reading on this ng & on the web about dog foods & decided to do some shopping around. In my town I have access to Solid Gold, Innova, and Ca Natural. I’ve been leaning toward the Innova, because they are the only brand that has a puppy formula (well at least that I can get a hold of anyway). My breeder is feeding Diamond to them now, and I’ll pick up some of that from him, and then start the switch over to whatever brand I choose. With our previous DDB we had to mix puppy & adult dog food to keep the panos at bay. I guess I’m asking if anyone knows if that will also be the case with the above mentioned brands? Is there a particular brand that I’ve mentioned that is better for fast growing large breed dogs such as the DDB? Also is one of these brands better for a large breed dog when they are adults? I’m going to discuss all of this with the breeder, I just thought I would also check the opinion of other large breed dog owners. I’m also interesting in cooking for them as well, and have just started to look into that. However,  I would like to have kibble on hand, and cook when I can. TIA John

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