make your dog heel without hurting it
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Hi Diddy , I got your e,mail . Thanks . I meant to answer today but got sidetracted by diana’s post and alpha’s foundation course. Alison
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Oh I see, You don’t have to explain. I really don’t like chokes. I > > > think they’re too easily available to people who don’t have a clue. > > > Alison > > I use chokes. > Hi diddy, > So you don’t want to sign my petition then BG. > I’ve read a lot about chokes and prongs on the newsgroups. More people > seem to favour the prongs. Was there a reason you chose chokes over prongs > or do you use both on your elkies.? > alison > answering privately
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Oh I see, You don’t have to explain. I really don’t like chokes. I > > think they’re too easily available to people who don’t have a clue. > > Alison > I use chokes. > Hi diddy, > So you don’t want to sign my petition then BG. > I’ve read a lot about chokes and prongs on the newsgroups. More people > seem to favour the prongs. Was there a reason you chose chokes over prongs > or do you use both on your elkies.? > alison
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> Oh I see, You don’t have to explain. I really don’t like chokes. I > think they’re too easily available to people who don’t have a clue. > Alison > I use chokes.
Hi diddy, So you don’t want to sign my petition then BG. I’ve read a lot about chokes and prongs on the newsgroups. More people seem to favour the prongs. Was there a reason you chose chokes over prongs or do you use both on your elkies.? alison
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Alison wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health: > Oh I see, You don’t have to explain. > You’re also correct – no training collar should be used on a > long line. Abuse of training collars can easily occur if you > don’t have fine control. > I’d be interested in seeing what special circumstance requires > Dave to use a choke at the end of a 15 foot line instead of a > normal length lead. Personally, I think that it’s irresponsible > to advise the use of such a set-up without face-to-face > instruction. > — > –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
Alpha Replies; Matt you are correct one of the things that get me into trouble here is thinking of everyone as the same, not that anyone is dumb or smarter I sometimes assume that we are all on the same wavelength, my apologies. We use 3 metre leads here leather that are a combination, you can halve them quarter or use full length, halving is good with the lead held in the right across your body, in effect you have a short lead. This lead should never ever be jerked you only need pivot on your right foot 180 degrees and walk the other way. Hope this helps — Treat your dog like a dog
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but I do have a zillion other things to do in the day, and > being male does not help…..
Why not? Do you have to run around making everything? To the OP I really don’t like choke collars and there is evidence that they can cause both considerable physical damage and (as in they inflict pain) mental damage and now that there aere so many different methods available, I see no reason why you should use a potentially dangerous one in preffernce to a method where you can not accidently get it wrong and hurt your dog. My own dog came fairly well ready or born trained but I’ve helped show a few friends how to teach their dogs to follow their hands and walk to heal ~ not to a degree though that I would consider myself to be the best advisor ~ maybe someone else with more proven experience might be better to advise on precise instructions. For a good article on the effect choke chains can have, see this article (Alison first found & pointed out some time ago) http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/LA/hawgood1.htm He also has another article on the aad web site (see sig) and you will find a variety of training adcvice from different people there too. Diana — See my dog Stone ~ July 5th on the birthday calendar. The aad group web site: http://www.ourdogs.chilly-hippo.co.uk (In the UK ‘lugs’ or ‘lug ‘oles’ is slang for ears ~ and no dog has a finer set than my Stone!)
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Alison wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health: > Oh I see, You don’t have to explain.
You’re also correct – no training collar should be used on a long line. Abuse of training collars can easily occur if you don’t have fine control. I’d be interested in seeing what special circumstance requires Dave to use a choke at the end of a 15 foot line instead of a normal length lead. Personally, I think that it’s irresponsible to advise the use of such a setup without face-to-face instruction. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Alpha Replies; that’s why we start in the backyard, there is no stimulus > to make the dog run away your simply walking casually around. I know I can > explain better but I do have a zillion other things to do in the day, and > being male does not help….. > Oh I see, You don’t have to explain. I really don’t like chokes. I > think they’re too easily available to people who don’t have a clue. > Alison
I use chokes.
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> Alison can you email me dirctly I try sending you stuff and it bounces back > ta thanks
I’ve just e.mailed you. I hope you get it. Alison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Alison can you email me dirctly I try sending you stuff and it bounces back ta thanks
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> Alpha Replies; that’s why we start in the backyard, there is no stimulus > to make the dog run away your simply walking casually around. I know I can > explain better but I do have a zillion other things to do in the day, and > being male does not help…..
Oh I see, You don’t have to explain. I really don’t like chokes. I think they’re too easily available to people who don’t have a clue. Alison
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We spent many weeks in obedience classes trying to get our Golden Retriever > to behave, and now she obeys the basic ’sit’, ‘come’, ’stay’, and > ‘lay-down’. That is, provided there are no distractions (such as other > dogs). Most important for us is getting her to heel, since my 10 year old > sister is not strong enough to take her for a walk. Regular collars and > choker chains don’t help, they only make it hard for her to breathe. > A friend recommended a halter that fits around her muzzle yet still > allows her to open her mouth. She can even bark with it on, but not if she > is pulling on the leash. She still walks ahead of me, but if she tries to > pull, it just turns her head towards me and she slows down. With further > training we hope to get her used to walking beside us. > The only downside is that she doesn’t like wearing it. In fact, she > loathes it. Prior to leaving the house, she rubs her face on the floor, your > leg, anything she can, to try to get it off. Still, if you have a dog that > just wont heel for you, this might be something you should look for.
Hi , Have you tried using a non pull harness like the Lupi. Some one on another group uses it on her giant snauzzer and recommends it. Alison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Alpha Replies> Equipment, you will need 1 check chain 1 long lead 15 feet. > Hi Alpha , > I thought it wasn’t advisable to use tools such as chokes on a long > leash. It could cause a lot of damage to the dogs neck and trachea. > Alison > Alpha Replies; that’s why we start in the backyard, there is no stimulus
to make the dog run away your simply walking casually around. I know I can explain better but I do have a zillion other things to do in the day, and being male does not help…..
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> Alpha Replies> Equipment, you will need 1 check chain 1 long lead 15 feet.
Hi Alpha , I thought it wasn’t advisable to use tools such as chokes on a long leash. It could cause a lot of damage to the dogs neck and trachea. Alison
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We spent many weeks in obedience classes trying to get our Golden Retriever > to behave, and now she obeys the basic ’sit’, ‘come’, ’stay’, and > ‘lay-down’. That is, provided there are no distractions (such as other > dogs). Most important for us is getting her to heel, since my 10 year old > sister is not strong enough to take her for a walk. Regular collars and > choker chains don’t help, they only make it hard for her to breathe. > A friend recommended a halter that fits around her muzzle yet still > allows her to open her mouth. She can even bark with it on, but not if she > is pulling on the leash. She still walks ahead of me, but if she tries to > pull, it just turns her head towards me and she slows down. With further > training we hope to get her used to walking beside us. > The only downside is that she doesn’t like wearing it. In fact, she > loathes it. Prior to leaving the house, she rubs her face on the floor, your > leg, anything she can, to try to get it off. Still, if you have a dog that > just wont heel for you, this might be something you should look for.
Alpha Replies; a halter does not correct your dog nor trains it, this devices prevents the dog from doing an action you do not want, the fact you state your dog still walks in front tells me it is leading and making decisions for the pack instead of you. Try this 3 times a day for 5 minutes each time, follow these instructions and this will work. Equipment, you will need 1 check chain 1 long lead 15 feet. Start in your back yard and just walk do not give your dog any instructions, if and when your dog walks past your heal position turn 180 degrees and walk the other way. Do this each time your dog makes the decision it wants you to follow, use no words. Ok what happens? the dog wants to be the boss so it drags you around, we want to be the boss so we emulate what the dog is doing, the dog slowly gives up its position and accepts you are the boss and follows. This will happen, no jerking or hurting the dog at all but you must use the check to get the best advantage, once you have done this and your dog sticks to you like glue use your command world, HEEL and praise when the dog is in position. You are now ready to use the leather collar and do this again, hey presto you can now walk down the street and your dog is at heel with no confrontation or harm to your dog….. Best of all your dog made the decision to follow. good luck — Treat your dog like a dog
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We spent many weeks in obedience classes trying to get our Golden Retriever to behave, and now she obeys the basic ’sit’, ‘come’, ’stay’, and ‘lay-down’. That is, provided there are no distractions (such as other dogs). Most important for us is getting her to heel, since my 10 year old sister is not strong enough to take her for a walk. Regular collars and choker chains don’t help, they only make it hard for her to breathe. A friend recommended a halter that fits around her muzzle yet still allows her to open her mouth. She can even bark with it on, but not if she is pulling on the leash. She still walks ahead of me, but if she tries to pull, it just turns her head towards me and she slows down. With further training we hope to get her used to walking beside us. The only downside is that she doesn’t like wearing it. In fact, she loathes it. Prior to leaving the house, she rubs her face on the floor, your leg, anything she can, to try to get it off. Still, if you have a dog that just wont heel for you, this might be something you should look for.
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