Labrador Retriever puppy shot by Police
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> But still, the dog was shot in the BACK of the head! How the heck much > intimidation can a dog of ANY breed offer if he’s running AWAY??? (the only > feasable way to shoot ANYTHING in the back of any part of it’s body)
Not if you are above the animal. Mind you I don’t think the cop should have been firing a gun so close to the people etc there – however I don’t see either the owner of the out of control dog(s) or the dog’s actions as completely blameless either. Saying ‘oh it was a lab’ means nothing at all in terms of what the temperament might be on the dog. Anyone doing rescue would know that. snip Nancy
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> however I don’t see either the owner of the out of > control dog(s) or the dog’s actions as completely blameless either.
Exactly! My dogs are quite cabable of barking and acting threatening to a stranger- but they will STOP instantly if I say so. If the dog in question had been properly trained, the whole issue could have been avoided. >Saying > ‘oh it was a lab’ means nothing at all in terms of what the temperament > might be on the dog. Anyone doing rescue would know that.
Yup. One of the nastiest biters I’ve ever seen was a black Lab- she would stand in the middle of hiking trails, let a jogger or biker pass, then lunge and sink her teeth into the calf of his leg. (Same dogwalker that let the GSP scare someone into reporting a "pit bull attack" had her out on the trails- OFF LEASH. Why that man is still in business I have no clue.)
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snip > Why that man is still in business I have no clue.)
Probably because he is the only one who will walk biters? <G> Nancy
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—– Original Message —– > But still, the dog was shot in the BACK of the head! How the heck much > intimidation can a dog of ANY breed offer if he’s running AWAY??? (the > only > feasable way to shoot ANYTHING in the back of any part of it’s body) > Not if you are above the animal.
Well, if you are above the animal, you are STILL firing back toward yourself (a rather stupid DANGEROUS thing to do), and if the dog was that close and DIDN’T bite him, then how much of a threat was he in the first place? I don’t doubt that the dog was barking and acting idiotic. There is a Lab breeder here by me (owned by an obedience person, mind you) that HATED CHILDREN. When she taught class, he was in his crate, and when kids approached, he would growl, show teeth and lunge at them. He couldn’t be let out, because he would charge the kids and try to bite. Now, it THAT proper Lab temperament? I don’t think so. He was an Am/Can CH, A/C CDX and UD pointed. I never liked the dog, and NEVER approved of her training methods- we were only there to proof our dogs. I never said that "because the dog (that was shot) was a Lab, that it was incapable of being threatening". I merely question how it is possible for the officer to shoot the dog in the back of the head without getting bitten in the first place (if your suggestion is true), or why he even felt the need to shoot the dog if it was running away (an easier shot to the back of the dog). It just doesn’t sound right. Suzanne & the Shibas of Snowood www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Zoo/8361
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> So yes the dog was totally out of control of the owner – and 50lbs though > not much to me <G> can seem awfully intimidating to people if the teeth are > showing –
now there is a second dog also **out of control** /** being held back** by > the owner
Anyone else see a incongruity here with this statement? MaryBeth <who thinks it’s very sad that a pup got shot in the *back* of the head….hmmmmm>
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But still, the dog was shot in the BACK of the head! How the heck much intimidation can a dog of ANY breed offer if he’s running AWAY??? (the only feasable way to shoot ANYTHING in the back of any part of it’s body) What did this officer expect the dog to do??? Run away from him in a LARGE circular pattern only to double back and bite him in the ass??? No, there’s a problem here, and I don’t believe fault lies with the owner. The officer should be held accountable. — Suzanne & the Shibas of Snowood www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Zoo/8361 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So yes the dog was totally out of control of the owner – and 50lbs though > not much to me <G> can seem awfully intimidating to people if the teeth are > showing – now there is a second dog also out of control being held back by > the owner who seems to think the cop *should* have pepper sprayed the dog – > why would that be if the dog was no threat? – It all sounds pretty bogus to > me from the cop to the owner…. > Nancy
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So yes the dog was totally out of control of the owner – and 50lbs though not much to me <G> can seem awfully intimidating to people if the teeth are showing – now there is a second dog also out of control being held back by the owner who seems to think the cop *should* have pepper sprayed the dog – why would that be if the dog was no threat? – It all sounds pretty bogus to me from the cop to the owner…. Nancy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What I got out of this is the dog was totally not within the > owner’s control not leashed etc and it was a year old male (not a > baby puppy by any means though not a mature adult) > and of a size to be fearsome particularly if it was *threatening* > the officer in question. > While I don’t think shooting was the answer – I find that as is > typical the newspaper article left off a lot of pertinent > information in a pretty biased sounding story. > Nancy > Here is another story on the same topic. In this one, the dog is 50 > pounds. > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=1782743&BRD=2101&PAG=461&de > pt_id=417987&rfi=6 > Unfortunately, the Centreville police department is in a bit of a > turmoil due to the recent killing of one Centreville and one Queen > Anne’s county police officer. The police chief is on an indefinite > leave of absence to recover, and the acting chief isn’t really saying > much of anything to the press. Any story written about this will > therefore only reflect one side of the issue… at least until the > investigation is complete. > There is an additional investigation into why the officers left their > car and went into the yard in the first place. The town ordinance > that they said they were enforcing permits open fires outdoors used > for cooking food, and the fire in question was in a barbecue grill. > The dog owner is claiming that the Centreville PD has been harassing > him and his wife for quite a while. > The owner said that he was trying to catch the dog by the tail (he > had been holding his other dog by the collar for the entire > discussion) when the officer shot the dog point blank in the back of > the head. The wife was running out of the house when the shot was > fired, and the kids were all in the house. > If this is how it happened, that cop is pretty lucky he didn’t shoot > the guy, the guy’s wife or kids, his partner, or his own self in > addition to shooting the dog. > The dog owner is also complaining that the officer, who was carrying > mace, a club, and a gun, decided to go for the gun first. Maybe he > has a phobia? I guess we will find out something when the > Centreville PD is ready to release their side of the story. > And I thought that nothing ever happened out here… > Christy > — > Christy – oceangirl > Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail > "If we knew what we were doing, > it would not be called research, would it?" > Albert Einstein
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>Neither are Pit Bulls, but they get shot by police for absolutely no reason >_much_ more often than Labs do.
Is there anything I wrote that suggested otherwise? Is there some point to peeving people off who were in no way, shape, or form attacking pitbulls? Don’t you think you’d be better off nailing people who *are* actually putting pitbulls down (in whatever senses of the word you like)? Sheesh. –Cindy, who has her own pitbull credentials, thank you very much
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Neither are Pit Bulls, but they get shot by police for absolutely no reason _much_ more often than Labs do. I should make note that I own both breeds. >Here are some FACTS about the Labrador Retriever. >Draw your own conclusions. >Nothing in which says that Labradors are a threat to people. Yes, they >can be large, bouncy, happy, obnoxious, but in no way, shape, or form >are they a threat to people 95% of the time.
Let the BIG DOGS out to e-mail me!
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> What I got out of this is the dog was totally not within the > owner’s control not leashed etc and it was a year old male (not a > baby puppy by any means though not a mature adult) > and of a size to be fearsome particularly if it was *threatening* > the officer in question. > While I don’t think shooting was the answer – I find that as is > typical the newspaper article left off a lot of pertinent > information in a pretty biased sounding story. > Nancy
Here is another story on the same topic. In this one, the dog is 50 pounds. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=1782743&BRD=2101&PAG=461&de pt_id=417987&rfi=6 Unfortunately, the Centreville police department is in a bit of a turmoil due to the recent killing of one Centreville and one Queen Anne’s county police officer. The police chief is on an indefinite leave of absence to recover, and the acting chief isn’t really saying much of anything to the press. Any story written about this will therefore only reflect one side of the issue… at least until the investigation is complete. There is an additional investigation into why the officers left their car and went into the yard in the first place. The town ordinance that they said they were enforcing permits open fires outdoors used for cooking food, and the fire in question was in a barbecue grill. The dog owner is claiming that the Centreville PD has been harassing him and his wife for quite a while. The owner said that he was trying to catch the dog by the tail (he had been holding his other dog by the collar for the entire discussion) when the officer shot the dog point blank in the back of the head. The wife was running out of the house when the shot was fired, and the kids were all in the house. If this is how it happened, that cop is pretty lucky he didn’t shoot the guy, the guy’s wife or kids, his partner, or his own self in addition to shooting the dog. The dog owner is also complaining that the officer, who was carrying mace, a club, and a gun, decided to go for the gun first. Maybe he has a phobia? I guess we will find out something when the Centreville PD is ready to release their side of the story. And I thought that nothing ever happened out here… Christy — Christy – oceangirl Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Albert Einstein
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What I got out of this is the dog was totally not within the owner’s control not leashed etc and it was a year old male (not a baby puppy by any means though not a mature adult) and of a size to be fearsome particularly if it was *threatening* the officer in question. While I don’t think shooting was the answer – I find that as is typical the newspaper article left off a lot of pertinent information in a pretty biased sounding story. Nancy
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>>Very likely not enough to warrant lethal threat, unless there’s >REALLY something odd about the story they’re not telling us 
>So far, the cop has not issued a statement. As of today this is all >that has been released.
I’d like to point out something that has bothered me since I read the article the first time. The dog was shot in the BACK of the head. If it were running to ‘attack’, wouldn’t it have been in the FRONT of the head? Even though it’s a puppy, and the cops are taller, to shoot something in the back of the head when it it coming at you (as I presume it would have had to be to be considered a threat) would be a little difficult, wouldn’t it? Orchid
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>Here are some FACTS about the Labrador Retriever. >Draw your own conclusions.
Nothing in which says that Labradors are a threat to people. Yes, they can be large, bouncy, happy, obnoxious, but in no way, shape, or form are they a threat to people 95% of the time. Sheesh. Put another way , you can describe an 8-10 year old child in virtually the same terms, right down to behavior, size, etc. Does that justify a police officer putting a bullet thru his head? Put bluntly, if you’re that easily scared, and that prone to pulling a gun out to dispose of what frightens you, not only do you have no *&^% business being a cop, you have none to be holding a gun either. –Cindy
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>Very likely not enough to warrant lethal threat, unless there’s >REALLY something odd about the story they’re not telling us
So far, the cop has not issued a statement. As of today this is all that has been released. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=1789135&BRD=2101&PAG=461&de pt_id=417987&rfi=6 The one that shot the dog was just hired in January of this year. The other one was just hired in April and was not carrying a gun because he is a probationary new hire. And the preliminary police report that the dog owner got said that they went to enforce the ordinance because the grill was near a gas can or propane tank. A picture of the guy with his grill is here. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=2101 Christy — Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Albert Einstein
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Very likely not enough to warrant lethal threat, unless there’s >REALLY something odd about the story they’re not telling us > So far, the cop has not issued a statement. As of today this is all > that has been released. > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=1789135&BRD=2101&PAG=461&de > pt_id=417987&rfi=6 > The one that shot the dog was just hired in January of this year. > The other one was just hired in April and was not carrying a gun > because he is a probationary new hire. And the preliminary police > report that the dog owner got said that they went to enforce the > ordinance because the grill was near a gas can or propane tank. A > picture of the guy with his grill is here. > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=2101 > Christy > — > Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail > "If we knew what we were doing, > it would not be called research, would it?" > Albert Einstein
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Its a good thing the Cops around here are not like that. That Cop would have just shit if my 1 year old 160lbs ‘puppy’ came running out drooling & Singing at him… But then again the happy tails give them away.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Very likely not enough to warrant lethal threat, unless there’s >REALLY something odd about the story they’re not telling us > So far, the cop has not issued a statement. As of today this is all > that has been released. > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=1789135&BRD=2101&PAG=461&de > pt_id=417987&rfi=6 > The one that shot the dog was just hired in January of this year. > The other one was just hired in April and was not carrying a gun > because he is a probationary new hire. And the preliminary police > report that the dog owner got said that they went to enforce the > ordinance because the grill was near a gas can or propane tank. A > picture of the guy with his grill is here. > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=2101 > Christy > — > Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail > "If we knew what we were doing, > it would not be called research, would it?" > Albert Einstein
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> >Oh geez, a widdle lab puppy tears out of the house wif its big >floppy feet. What was he going to do, lick the officer to death? > How many pounds does a "widdle" year-old Lab weigh? > — > Karen J. Cravens
Here are some FACTS about the Labrador Retriever. Draw your own conclusions. From The Labrador Retriever Home Page: http://www.k9web.com/breeds/l/labrador/ Q. Are Labradors hyper? A. A Labrador with correct temperament is never hyperactive. Individual dogs can be. With the steady increase of popularity of the breed in recent years, more and more Labradors are being bred by people who have less regard for temperament than established breeders. Some people claim that field line Labradors are hyper and show lines are mellow. Others claim that field line Labradors are mellow and show lines are hyper! In reality, it appears that "backyard bred" Labradors have by far the worst temperaments. If you don’t breed for good temperaments, you won’t get them except by accident. ("Backyard breeders" refers to people with little or no knowledge of breeding dogs doing so mostly for the money or because it seems the thing to do, or even by accident. A better term is "disreputable breeders." There are plenty of small-scale, or hobby, breeders with wonderful reputations for producing sound, good tempered, well-balanced dogs.) We would like to stress that such dogs, untrained and unexercised, WILL be a huge problem for their owners, becoming destructive, unmanageable, and in many cases escape artists. Once under proper discipline (which does NOT mean beating the dog!), most of these Labs will shape up into good pets. From The AKC Page on the Labrador Retriever "Standard" http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/labdoret.cfm Size, Proportion and Substance Size–The height at the withers for a dog is 22
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