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> Glickman’s group is THE authority on this disorder. They used > to have a very nice site on the Purdue server which doesn’t > seem to be there any more–too bad, too, because there was > a ton of good information there.
It’s still there, the link just changed: http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/bloat.htm And I completely agree that Glickman is the guru of bloat 
— April
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> Long ago, when I got my first bloodhound, I was told by a prominent > breeder/shower that one should use a raised feeding stand to help keep the > front feet tight. I don’t recall bloat prevention being mentioned at that > time.
We switched to an elevated feeder when our 11 yr old GSD started having a hard time reaching her bowl w/o lying down. It’s only about 7 or 8 inches high, but it helps her from scooting it all around the floor, and she doesn’t have to lie down anymore. (And, we had a bloat scare before that…but I think due more to what & when she ate, not so much "how") Shelly, Coda & Guiness…
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>> I would never feed a dog prone to bloat any kibble. Kibble is notorious for > being the food dogs bloat on. >What peer reviewed research studies corroborate the above assertion?
None . Actually a friend of mine who feeds a well-formulated homemade diet had one of her dogs bloat just two weeks ago. JFWIW, Dianne
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>The following link takes you directly to the report which comments on raised >feeding dishes: >http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/update2.htm
Ah, thank you for the link, James–they’ve obviously reorganized their site & I had looked & looked & looked for that information. Gotta add a link to them back to my web site now… Dianne
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> I would never feed a dog prone to bloat any kibble. Kibble is notorious for > being the food dogs bloat on.
What peer reviewed research studies corroborate the above assertion? — James L. Ryan, TaliesinSoft
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>It is suggested that a study was undertaken by a Dr. Glickman at Purdue >University. Unfortunately I was not successful at finding any posted details >of that study.
Glickman’s group is THE authority on this disorder. They used to have a very nice site on the Purdue server which doesn’t seem to be there any more–too bad, too, because there was a ton of good information there. And yes, they were the folks whose recent research showed an increased risk for dogs fed from raised dishes… hm, let’s see if I can find the cite… Hmm, I do believe that this was the study, but unfortunately the abstract does not mention the conclusions regarding raised feeding. Your friend could certainly request a copy of the full article by sending a postcard to Dr. Glickman at Purdue, or through Lonesome Doc (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/loansomedoc/loansome_home.html) Dianne TITLE: Incidence of and breed-related risk factors for gastric dilatation-volvulus in dogs. AUTHORS: Glickman LT; Glickman NW; Schellenberg DB; Raghavan M; Lee TL AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Department of Veterinary Pathobiology, Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN 47907-1243, USA. SOURCE: J Am Vet Med Assoc 2000 Jan 1;216(1):40-5 CITATION IDS: PMID: 10638316 UI: 20103671 ABSTRACT: OBJECTIVE: To compare incidence of and breed-related risk factors for gastric dilatation-volvulus (GDV) among 11 dog breeds (Akita, Bloodhound, Collie, Great Dane, Irish Setter, Irish Wolfhound, Newfoundland, Rottweiler, Saint Bernard, Standard Poodle, and Weimaraner). DESIGN: Prospective cohort study. ANIMALS: 1,914 dogs. PROCEDURE: Owners of dogs that did not have a history of GDV were recruited at dog shows, and the dog’s length and height and depth and width of the thorax and abdomen were measured. Information concerning the dogs’ medical history, genetic background, personality, and diet was obtained from owners, and owners were contacted by mail and telephone at approximately 1-year intervals to determine whether dogs had developed GDV or died. Incidence of GDV based on the number of dog-years at risk was calculated for each breed, and breed-related risk factors were identified. RESULTS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Incidence of GDV for the 7 large (23 to 45 kg [50 to 99 lb]) and 4 giant (> 45 kg [> 99 lb]) breeds was 23 and 26 cases/1,000 dog-years at risk, respectively. Of the 105 dogs that developed GDV, 30 (28.6%) died. Incidence of GDV increased with increasing age. Cumulative incidence of GDV was 5.7% for all breeds. The only breed-specific characteristic significantly associated with a decreased incidence of GDV was an owner-perceived personality trait of happiness.
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http://www.bogartsdaddy.com/bouvier/Health/bloat-raised-dishes-articl…
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> Can you think of an explanation for this? > Perhaps it allows "chow-hounds" to eat faster?
Well as people with giant or large breeds were programmed to use raised food bowls with their dogs (Under the impression it would help prevent bloat) I wonder if dogs with bloat likely lines have a higher incidence of being fed in raised bowls? With Wal-Mart selling raised doggy diners for all breeds I wonder if the incidence of bloat will change? Personally I found the correlation between giving calcium to the pregnant bitch and incidence of bloat in her pups interesting when I read about it years ago in a Dane magazine. Nancy
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> Well as people with giant or large breeds were programmed to use raised food > bowls with their dogs (Under the impression it would help prevent bloat)
Long ago, when I got my first bloodhound, I was told by a prominent breeder/shower that one should use a raised feeding stand to help keep the front feet tight. I don’t recall bloat prevention being mentioned at that time. — James L. Ryan, TaliesinSoft
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>Misleading ‘how’ ? Did she suggest > raising feeding dishes to prevent Bloat?
No. Here’s the sentence she’s having misgivings about: "Put chow in elevated bowls or on top of low tables or crates so that your dog won’t srain his neck and back muscles."
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I would never feed a dog prone to bloat any kibble. Kibble is notorious for being the food dogs bloat on.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Months ago, we had a discussion of elevated dishes and bloat. Someone > posted a link to a study which indicated raised feeding dishes actually > _increase the incidence. > A friend is in a panic: she just published a nice, little book (50 > Simple Ways to Pamper Your Dog) which suggests them. Now she fears she > has been misleading. > Does anyone still have that source?
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Misleading ‘how’ ? Did she suggest raising feeding dishes to prevent Bloat? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A friend is in a panic: she just published a nice, little book (50 >Simple Ways to Pamper Your Dog) which suggests them. Now she fears she >has been misleading.
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i dont know if this will help or not as i doubt if it was ever studied. but in dog sled racing we were always told by the racing vets to prevent bloat it was important to soak the food in water until it was soft and then feed the dog. it has to sit til soft. this of course is lousy for the teeth but then one could give those raw knuckle bones for the teeth. when the food is already soft it cant expand anymore and weight the stomach with hard food and gas as the dog moves about. of course we were told it ws not good to feed before a run. but you know if one could get in touch with some iditaroid runners as they have to feed and run dogs they would also have some types i would bet. check the sled dog internet sites and ask about exercise and running. i almost lost a dog 15 years ago to bloat when we started to run dogs. we know it is hereditary to the deep chested breeds but other dogs can bloat also. he was not a large dog at all . we then started to make the food soft and feed 3 hours after a run never had another bloat. my dog made it through the bloat. but i never took a chance to run him again because they will get it again if you do… we had his stomach pumped—then we took him home. for two days i fed him nothing but sips of water. then on the third day i started with baby cereal and oatmeal and all soft thinks for 7 days. used the blender and baby foods. then started out with 4 feedings a day of hard dog food soaked and soft. he never had it happen again . always fed him three small meals a day. but he wanted to run so bad. — he was bad when i brought him in to the vets– vet was very suprised he made it. he wanted to do surgery but we said no because of finances and no assurance the surgery would work. —–once the stomach gets stretched it is like a balloon–it never quite goes back into the former shape and you always have to remember that no matter how good they look after that. you have to always watch. you are always safer to give the dog more smaller feedings then one big one. that is for sure. but as i said the long distance racers have to know how to prevent this in their dogs as they go to each rest stop –feed and then move on? this may be your best bet on new ideas on the subject. —- i know you mainly wanted knowledge of elevated dishes but for anyone else wanting a preventive in dogs that are prone to this. —–they say slow eating dogs dont gulp all the food and air . like i never had one be better as the dog is not bending down and i thought that it would let less air in . i am doumb about gravity and eating but whichever would let less air in the stomach would be the right answer i would think. is there someone skilled in which one would let less air in –elevated bowl or bending down. i guess a physics major ?
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The following link takes you directly to the report which comments on raised feeding dishes: http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/update2.htm There it is stated: Most of the popular methods currently recommended to prevent GDV did not appear to be effective, and one of these, raising the feed bowl, may actually be detrimental in the breeds studied.In order to decrease the incidence of GDV… — James L. Ryan, TaliesinSoft
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Lordy, what an interesting site, Annette. Thanks a bunch. The risk-factor chart is fascinating. Only chest depthwidth ratio is more of a determinant than an elevated bowl. And speed of eating adds to the risk. May I share a story to explain why this looms large for me? Some years ago, a friend had two Danes, littermates he doted on. His daughters had to share a bedroom because the dogs had one with extra-long twin beds. One night one dog developed bloat. Inexperienced with it, they dithered while finding an emergency vet, and the dog died. Three days later, its littermate "just died." Three days after that, my buddy came home from work and fell dead of a massive heart attack in the shower. He was 37.
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Good morning, Chris. I found the link below in the archives. It’s the first one I came to, so didn’t research further, as I had a feeling it was the link you were thinking about. Have a great day, Annette
> Months ago, we had a discussion of elevated dishes and bloat. Someone > posted a link to a study which indicated raised feeding dishes actually
(beginning of original message) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health > Another poster just sent me this URL in response to this thread; > according to this site, new research at Purdue indicates a higher risk > for bloat if you use an elevated feeding bowl. This runs counter to > everything *else* I’ve ever read on the subject. Anyone else have more > info? > http://www.vet.purdue.edu/depts/vad/cae/research.htm > Click on "update on bloat research, 3/1/00".
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> Months ago, we had a discussion of elevated dishes and bloat. Someone > posted a link to a study which indicated raised feeding dishes actually > _increase the incidence.
I did a quick Google search and all I could come up with is the following: http://www.bogartsdaddy.com/bouvier/Health/bloat-raised-dishes-articl… It is suggested that a study was undertaken by a Dr. Glickman at Purdue University. Unfortunately I was not successful at finding any posted details of that study. — James L. Ryan, TaliesinSoft
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Thank you so much, James. I’m a poor searcher so, "I rely on the kindness of …. well, not exacly..strangers." Can you think of an explanation for this? Perhaps it allows "chow-hounds" to eat faster?
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Probably Toni posted it – think its Linda Arndt Blackwatch Dane site. buglady take out the dog before replying
Months ago, we had a discussion of elevated dishes and bloat. Someone posted a link to a study which indicated raised feeding dishes actually _increase the incidence.
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Months ago, we had a discussion of elevated dishes and bloat. Someone posted a link to a study which indicated raised feeding dishes actually _increase the incidence. A friend is in a panic: she just published a nice, little book (50 Simple Ways to Pamper Your Dog) which suggests them. Now she fears she has been misleading. Does anyone still have that source?
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