German Shorthaired Pointer
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Thanks Tracy. Is there another governing body in the US besides the AKC for this dog?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> this question comes up almost annually in the parent club. germany > permits solid black or black ticked/patched dogs, but not the akc. it’s > in the akc standard that the dogs may only be solid liver, liver and > white, liver ticked and/or patched, and black is a disqualification. > i believe there are shorthairs registered in the field dog stud book, a > registry primarily for hunting stock – not sure about the ukc or other > registries. > tracy > gsp rescue > Why does the AKC disqualify black spots? I see laot of them with that > quality. > Is there another governing body besides the AKC for this dog?
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> AFAIK, that’s correct: a solid black or black ticked (spotted) gsp > cannot be registered with the akc. it’s spelled out as unacceptable in > the gsp standard as filed by the parent club god knows when. 
Can’t be registered, or is DQ’d in the breed ring? — Lisa Baird – Haleakala PWDs "Truly" – CH Fantaseas Truly Scrumptious, CD, AAD, AX, NAJ "Havoc" – Stargazer Come Hell’R HiWater (Puppy Demon) Buckeye Region Agility Group <http://www.bragagility.com/> PAWZitive Beginnings Dog Training <http://www.PAWZitiveBeginnings.com>
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the latter, as astutely corrected by diane blackman. tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> AFAIK, that’s correct: a solid black or black ticked (spotted) gsp > cannot be registered with the akc. it’s spelled out as unacceptable in > the gsp standard as filed by the parent club god knows when. > Can’t be registered, or is DQ’d in the breed ring? > — > Lisa Baird – Haleakala PWDs > "Truly" – CH Fantaseas Truly Scrumptious, CD, AAD, AX, NAJ > "Havoc" – Stargazer Come Hell’R HiWater (Puppy Demon) > Buckeye Region Agility Group <http://www.bragagility.com/> > PAWZitive Beginnings Dog Training <http://www.PAWZitiveBeginnings.com>
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thanks, diane. i knew as i hit Send that my reply sounded funny. tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> AFAIK, that’s correct: a solid black or black ticked (spotted) gsp > cannot be registered with the akc. it’s spelled out as unacceptable in > the gsp standard as filed by the parent club god knows when. > A dog with disqualifying faults is still eligible for registration. > To be eligble for registration both parents must be of the same breed and > both must be registered with a breed club recognized by AKC. There are > other rules. I don’t know any breed that has succeeded in blocking a dog > from being registered based merely on disqualifying color. > A dog with disqualifying faults may be registered and furthermore it may > be bred and the resulting litter is registerable. A disqualifying fault > only affects whether the dog may compete in the conformation ring. Dogs > with disqualifying faults are ordinarily eligible to compete in > performance events. > the parent club is the german shorthaired pointer club of america, and > their web site is: www.gspca.org >> What is the parent club? >> So if your daog has one w/black spots you cannot register it? > Yes, it can be registered. It may not be shown in the conformation ring. > http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/germshor.cfm > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html > "What all trainers need to understand, regardless of allegiance, is that > it is not the application of punishment or reward, but the incorrect > application of punishment or reinforcement that leads to unhappy dogs and > frustrated trainers." "Smart Trainers — Brilliant Dogs" by Janet Lewis
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> AFAIK, that’s correct: a solid black or black ticked (spotted) gsp > cannot be registered with the akc. it’s spelled out as unacceptable in > the gsp standard as filed by the parent club god knows when.
A dog with disqualifying faults is still eligible for registration. To be eligble for registration both parents must be of the same breed and both must be registered with a breed club recognized by AKC. There are other rules. I don’t know any breed that has succeeded in blocking a dog from being registered based merely on disqualifying color. A dog with disqualifying faults may be registered and furthermore it may be bred and the resulting litter is registerable. A disqualifying fault only affects whether the dog may compete in the conformation ring. Dogs with disqualifying faults are ordinarily eligible to compete in performance events. > the parent club is the german shorthaired pointer club of america, and > their web site is: www.gspca.org > What is the parent club? > So if your daog has one w/black spots you cannot register it?
Yes, it can be registered. It may not be shown in the conformation ring. http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/germshor.cfm Diane Blackman http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html "What all trainers need to understand, regardless of allegiance, is that it is not the application of punishment or reward, but the incorrect application of punishment or reinforcement that leads to unhappy dogs and frustrated trainers." "Smart Trainers — Brilliant Dogs" by Janet Lewis
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AFAIK, that’s correct: a solid black or black ticked (spotted) gsp cannot be registered with the akc. it’s spelled out as unacceptable in the gsp standard as filed by the parent club god knows when. the parent club is the german shorthaired pointer club of america, and their web site is: www.gspca.org tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > What is the parent club? > So if your daog has one w/black spots you cannot register it? > R. > this question comes up almost annually in the parent club. germany > permits solid black or black ticked/patched dogs, but not the akc. it’s > in the akc standard that the dogs may only be solid liver, liver and > white, liver ticked and/or patched, and black is a disqualification. > i believe there are shorthairs registered in the field dog stud book, a > registry primarily for hunting stock – not sure about the ukc or other > registries. > tracy > gsp rescue > > Why does the AKC disqualify black spots? I see laot of them with that > > quality. > > Is there another governing body besides the AKC for this dog?
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What is the parent club? So if your daog has one w/black spots you cannot register it? R.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> this question comes up almost annually in the parent club. germany > permits solid black or black ticked/patched dogs, but not the akc. it’s > in the akc standard that the dogs may only be solid liver, liver and > white, liver ticked and/or patched, and black is a disqualification. > i believe there are shorthairs registered in the field dog stud book, a > registry primarily for hunting stock – not sure about the ukc or other > registries. > tracy > gsp rescue > Why does the AKC disqualify black spots? I see laot of them with that > quality. > Is there another governing body besides the AKC for this dog?
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this question comes up almost annually in the parent club. germany permits solid black or black ticked/patched dogs, but not the akc. it’s in the akc standard that the dogs may only be solid liver, liver and white, liver ticked and/or patched, and black is a disqualification. i believe there are shorthairs registered in the field dog stud book, a registry primarily for hunting stock – not sure about the ukc or other registries. tracy gsp rescue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Why does the AKC disqualify black spots? I see laot of them with that > quality. > Is there another governing body besides the AKC for this dog?
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Why does the AKC disqualify black spots? I see laot of them with that quality. Is there another governing body besides the AKC for this dog?
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Looking for show quality but will keep him as a pet. Don’t need one for hunting.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dave: > You need to be more specific about what type of GSP you want. If you want a > hunting GSP, you need to deal with hunting/field breeders. If so, ask this > questions on rec.hunting.dogs newsgroup. > BTW, love your band!! LOL > — > Looking for breeder of these dogs in the lower part of Michigan. I live > in > the Lansing area. Can someone help. > — > David B. Mathews
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if that’s the case, go to the dog show someone else mentioned and start talking to breeders. also, check out the GSP —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Looking for show quality but will keep him as a pet. Don’t need one for > hunting. > Dave: > You need to be more specific about what type of GSP you want. If you want > a > hunting GSP, you need to deal with hunting/field breeders. If so, ask > this > questions on rec.hunting.dogs newsgroup. > BTW, love your band!! LOL > — > > Looking for breeder of these dogs in the lower part of Michigan. I live > in > > the Lansing area. Can someone help. > > — > > David B. Mathews
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Looking for breeder of these dogs in the lower part of Michigan. I live in the Lansing area. Can someone help. — David B. Mathews
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No, but I can direct you if you’re interested in saving a life to the GSP rescue organizations in that area. They are overwhelmed with dogs. Tracy Landauer GSP rescue, southern Idaho – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Looking for breeder of these dogs in the lower part of Michigan. I live in > the Lansing area. Can someone help. > — > David B. Mathews
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You need to go to the dog show tomorrow or Monday at the MSU Pavillon off of Mt. Hope and Farm Lane. Lots of GSP’s there as there was a specialty on friday. You could meet a lot of the breeders there. Pat Stargate English Cockers http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/stargate/index.html
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Dave: You need to be more specific about what type of GSP you want. If you want a hunting GSP, you need to deal with hunting/field breeders. If so, ask this questions on rec.hunting.dogs newsgroup. BTW, love your band!! LOL — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Looking for breeder of these dogs in the lower part of Michigan. I live in > the Lansing area. Can someone help. > — > David B. Mathews
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I am thinking about getting a German Shorthaired Pointer, although because one of the people in my household has allergies, we are questionable about this dog. Do any of you know if the GSP has bad dander, or is it have a minimum amount of dander? I would appreciate any responses. Thanx, Evan
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Whether or not the dog would trigger allergies depends on exactly what the person is allergic to. Some people can tolerate nonshedding breeds, like poodles, but not breeds that shed (which includes shorthaired breeds like GSPs). Other people seem to be more bothered by volume of hair, so that shorthaired breeds are ok, but shaggy ones aren’t. Other people react to the oil in dogs’ coats (I’m like this, getting close to a lab, especially one that spends a lot of time outdoors, will often make me sneeze and puff up, but less "greasy" dogs are fine, esp. if they are bathed regularly). I don’t believe standard allergy tests make these fine but crucial discriminations. The best way to find out if you’re allergic to a particular breed is to spend some time with it. Go to a breeder’s house or kennel and see how you feel. Katharine Maus and Ch. Csillag’s Bartok, vizsla
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As a sidenote, I have a German shorthaired pointer that I show in conformation, and have started his obedience and agility training. When this guy brushes my skin, the area gets itchy and maybe red and rash-like, and lasts a few minutes. My other dog, a papillon, and my two cats don’t cause this reaction. So, while this allergy-prone man found relief in this breed, I have a slight skin reaction to them. This is why it’s important to do as they did — physically interacting with the breed before getting a puppy — rather than just looking for the "hypoallergenic" breeds, as they may not be hypoallergenic for you. And, no, the GSP isn’t going anywhere. He’s too sweet and talented, and I can live with the reaction. Marscha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, regarding dogs that cause allergies, my husband suffers from an > allergic reaction to certain dogs. We were keen to get a pet of our > own and visited a dog show where he stroked and spoke to various dogs > and owners to distinguish which breeds caused a problem. The children > thoroughly enjoyed the experience and we were able to cross off most > dog breeds from our list. However, GSP’s did not have a negative > effect. We contacted a local breeder who were selling a litter of > pups and arranged to visit. We decided to put ourselves in the middle > of 2 adult dogs and 10 pups to discover the hard way if he was going > to have a bad reaction. We figured that having no allergic reaction > meant it was safe to get a pup of our own. We now have two – they are > fantastic, full of fun, patient with my 2 year old and excellent guard > dogs. I would recommend them to anyone wishing a large fun loving dog > as their ideal pet.!!
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> Hi, can anyone help with finding GSP garden ornaments, I rarely see > any merchandise with type of dog. I would love two large Pointers > sitting each side of my front door.
Sorry, forgot the link:) http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&So… rty=MetaEndSort&ht=1&query=german+pointer
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> > Hi, can anyone help with finding GSP garden ornaments, I rarely see > any merchandise with type of dog. I would love two large Pointers > sitting each side of my front door. > Hi, > You could try eBay. I did a quick search and got a result of 127 items. > Here’s the link. > HTH, > Luke C.
Thanks Luke, glad you could be of help with finding these items for me. I haven’t ordered anything yet but I will.
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> > Hi, can anyone help with finding GSP garden ornaments, I rarely see > any merchandise with type of dog. I would love two large Pointers > sitting each side of my front door. > Hi, > You could try eBay. I did a quick search and got a result of 127 items. > Here’s the link. > HTH, > Luke C.
Hi, regarding dogs that cause allergies, my husband suffers from an allergic reaction to certain dogs. We were keen to get a pet of our own and visited a dog show where he stroked and spoke to various dogs and owners to distinguish which breeds caused a problem. The children thoroughly enjoyed the experience and we were able to cross off most dog breeds from our list. However, GSP’s did not have a negative effect. We contacted a local breeder who were selling a litter of pups and arranged to visit. We decided to put ourselves in the middle of 2 adult dogs and 10 pups to discover the hard way if he was going to have a bad reaction. We figured that having no allergic reaction meant it was safe to get a pup of our own. We now have two – they are fantastic, full of fun, patient with my 2 year old and excellent guard dogs. I would recommend them to anyone wishing a large fun loving dog as their ideal pet.!!
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Hi, can anyone help with finding GSP garden ornaments, I rarely see any merchandise with type of dog. I would love two large Pointers sitting each side of my front door.
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> Hi, can anyone help with finding GSP garden ornaments, I rarely see > any merchandise with type of dog. I would love two large Pointers > sitting each side of my front door.
Hi, You could try eBay. I did a quick search and got a result of 127 items. Here’s the link. HTH, Luke C.
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