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I have 3 dogs, 2 of them have started fighting. The small one, a 14 pound Lhasa/Maltese, growls at the 45 pound terrier mix, and the fight is on. But the little one is losing ground, and today she almost lost her life. I love both of them,but I cannot sacrifice the life of my Shenandoah. We are muzzling Mariah, she is only a year old, and doesn’t understand, but it is a solution of sorts. My question is; is St. John’s Wort safe, and what would the dosage and frequency be for a 45 pound dog? PLEASE answer; my nephew’s big dog just killed his small one. I could not bear that. Sherry — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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St John Wart is not going to help your dog in this situation.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have 3 dogs, 2 of them have started fighting. The small one, a 14 pound > Lhasa/Maltese, growls at the 45 pound terrier mix, and the fight is on. But > the little one is losing ground, and today she almost lost her life. I love > both of them,but I cannot sacrifice the life of my Shenandoah. We are > muzzling Mariah, she is only a year old, and doesn’t understand, but it is a > solution of sorts. My question is; is St. John’s Wort safe, and what would > the dosage and frequency be for a 45 pound dog? PLEASE answer; my nephew’s > big dog just killed his small one. I could not bear that. Sherry > — > http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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You might try posting your problem to rec.pets.dogs.behavior. For the most good advice, tell the ages and genders of each dog, when the fighting started, and what seems to set it off. In the meantime, you might have to keep them seperated until you can rehome one or the other. I gotta tell you, I have heard some very bad stories about two females fighting. I kept 2 spayed females together for years without any trouble, but they were close in size and had very different motivations. One was a food hound and one was a people hound. The only scary fight happened when those two interests intersected, when I was hand-feeding them treats. I never did that again. I don’t know about St John’s wort for dogs. I have heard good reports of using the Bach Flower remedy "Rescue Remedy". I have never used it to curb aggression, but have used it to take the edge off my dog so I could trim her toenails without her being extremely fearful. Good luck. jdoee and Stacey Dog – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have 3 dogs, 2 of them have started fighting. The small one, a 14 pound > Lhasa/Maltese, growls at the 45 pound terrier mix, and the fight is on. But > the little one is losing ground, and today she almost lost her life. I love > both of them,but I cannot sacrifice the life of my Shenandoah. We are > muzzling Mariah, she is only a year old, and doesn’t understand, but it is a > solution of sorts. My question is; is St. John’s Wort safe, and what would > the dosage and frequency be for a 45 pound dog? PLEASE answer; my nephew’s > big dog just killed his small one. I could not bear that. Sherry > — > http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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St Johns wort is for treating depression, I use it myself. It will not help this problem. I think you might have to consider finding one of them another home. IMHO when 2 bitches have a serious fight, you can NEVER trust them together again. I have kept dogs for over 25 years, nearly always bitches, and always 3 or more at a time, and a couple of times over the years there have been 2 bitches that just hate each other, in fact a couple of years ago, with no warning, a fight started and I just could not stop it, they were intent on killing each other. After getting so desparate that I just grabbed one by the back legs to get her off the other, and getting badly bitten myself, it was too late, she had killed the other. I was devastated of course, and if I had found a home for one of them it would never have happened. It wasn,t even like they were ever left alone together, I was actually within 3 feet when they started, there was no warning, just went into kill mode.
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Don’t count on St.John’s wort fixing this problem. One of the dogs will probably have to be re-homed.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have 3 dogs, 2 of them have started fighting. The small one, a 14 pound > Lhasa/Maltese, growls at the 45 pound terrier mix, and the fight is on. But > the little one is losing ground, and today she almost lost her life. I love > both of them,but I cannot sacrifice the life of my Shenandoah. We are > muzzling Mariah, she is only a year old, and doesn’t understand, but it is a > solution of sorts. My question is; is St. John’s Wort safe, and what would > the dosage and frequency be for a 45 pound dog? PLEASE answer; my nephew’s > big dog just killed his small one. I could not bear that. Sherry > — > http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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I can’t bring myself to take this dog back to the Animal Shelter, and it is in the adoption agreement that is what I must do. We have a muzzle on her, and she is crated when we’re gone. It’s the little one that starts it by growling, hell, she even growls at us! Lhasas are by nature guard dogs, that’s what they were bred for. Mariah, the larger one, is basically an innocent bystander, but she will fight back when threatened. Our Shih Tzu is the only one that I trust, and Shenandoah, the Lhasa/Maltese has even fought with him, and she was raised with him. I must find another way. We love Mariah, and she loves us. I will keep looking. Thanks. Sherry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> St Johns wort is for treating depression, I use it myself. It will not help > this problem. I think you might have to consider finding one of them another > home. IMHO when 2 bitches have a serious fight, you can NEVER trust them > together again. I have kept dogs for over 25 years, nearly always bitches, > and always 3 or more at a time, and a couple of times over the years there > have been 2 bitches that just hate each other, in fact a couple of years > ago, with no warning, a fight started and I just could not stop it, they > were intent on killing each other. After getting so desparate that I just > grabbed one by the back legs to get her off the other, and getting badly > bitten myself, it was too late, she had killed the other. I was devastated > of course, and if I had found a home for one of them it would never have > happened. It wasn,t even like they were ever left alone together, I was > actually within 3 feet when they started, there was no warning, just went > into kill mode.
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please consider very carefully. usually, if you have several dogs, when a fight starts, all the others will join in and attack the underdog. Is it fair to have her muzzled and caged for most of the time? If she is sweet and pretty someone will want her.Have you spokn to the shelter ppl, and maybe offer to keep her with you until someone comes along who is in a better position? All of this fighting will be affecting your other dogs too. I know about the lhasa thing, as I have a tibetan spaniel. they weren,t exactly guard dogs, more of a watchdog. They sounded the alert and waited for the tibetan mastiffs to come and do any rough stuff. lhasa’s and tibetan spaniels were not designed to do any actual fighting.
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If it’s the Lhasa X that starts everything, that would be the one I would think about rehoming. Why are you crating the big dog when you are gone, if it is the little one that starts it? jdoee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I can’t bring myself to take this dog back to the Animal Shelter, and it is > in the adoption agreement that is what I must do. We have a muzzle on her, > and she is crated when we’re gone. It’s the little one that starts it by > growling, hell, she even growls at us! Lhasas are by nature guard dogs, > that’s what they were bred for. Mariah, the larger one, is basically an > innocent bystander, but she will fight back when threatened. Our Shih Tzu is > the only one that I trust, and Shenandoah, the Lhasa/Maltese has even fought > with him, and she was raised with him. I must find another way. We love > Mariah, and she loves us. I will keep looking. Thanks. Sherry > St Johns wort is for treating depression, I use it myself. It will not > help > this problem. I think you might have to consider finding one of them > another > home. IMHO when 2 bitches have a serious fight, you can NEVER trust them > together again. I have kept dogs for over 25 years, nearly always bitches, > and always 3 or more at a time, and a couple of times over the years there > have been 2 bitches that just hate each other, in fact a couple of years > ago, with no warning, a fight started and I just could not stop it, they > were intent on killing each other. After getting so desparate that I just > grabbed one by the back legs to get her off the other, and getting badly > bitten myself, it was too late, she had killed the other. I was devastated > of course, and if I had found a home for one of them it would never have > happened. It wasn,t even like they were ever left alone together, I was > actually within 3 feet when they started, there was no warning, just went > into kill mode.
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Pam, Tell me about your Tibbie. I had one for 14 years. My parents bought her for me when I was 10. Of course my mom did most of the work with her but I did love that little dog. When I move away from home I wanted to take her with me but she and my mom were so attached to each other that I just couldn’t. Right now I have two bouviers. I would love to get a tibbie when my sons are a bit older. Right now they are one and three and I think they might be too rough with a small dog. Not intentionally but they are still just babies themselves. She was terrific. She never bit and I don’t think she ever even growled. When someone came to the door she barked until they came in and then she stopped immediately. She was always aloof but not unfriendly with people but she always loved small children and the elderly. I miss my old girl. Ann – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I know about the lhasa thing, as I have a tibetan spaniel.
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We crate the bigger dog because she eats my house. The walls, carpet, woodwork…you get the message. The big dog is wearing a muzzle right now when she is out with the Lhasa, and the Lhasa is wearing a training collar. So she gets a jolt when she growls at the bigger dog. The vet says to use it for about 2 weeks, and he thinks that things will get better. Yes, the shelter will take her back. But if I tell them she is agressive, she will be one of the first ones to be put down. I do know that, I go out every week and take photos, and I maintain the website. I will not take her back, and I can’t find her a home myself, I signed an agreement, and they do enforce it. Sherry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If it’s the Lhasa X that starts everything, that would be the one I would > think about rehoming. Why are you crating the big dog when you are gone, if > it is the little one that starts it? jdoee > I can’t bring myself to take this dog back to the Animal Shelter, and it is > in the adoption agreement that is what I must do. We have a muzzle on her, > and she is crated when we’re gone. It’s the little one that starts it by > growling, hell, she even growls at us! Lhasas are by nature guard dogs, > that’s what they were bred for. Mariah, the larger one, is basically an > innocent bystander, but she will fight back when threatened. Our Shih Tzu is > the only one that I trust, and Shenandoah, the Lhasa/Maltese has even fought > with him, and she was raised with him. I must find another way. We love > Mariah, and she loves us. I will keep looking. Thanks. Sherry >> St Johns wort is for treating depression, I use it myself. It will not > help >> this problem. I think you might have to consider finding one of them > another >> home. IMHO when 2 bitches have a serious fight, you can NEVER trust them >> together again. I have kept dogs for over 25 years, nearly always bitches, >> and always 3 or more at a time, and a couple of times over the years there >> have been 2 bitches that just hate each other, in fact a couple of years >> ago, with no warning, a fight started and I just could not stop it, they >> were intent on killing each other. After getting so desparate that I just >> grabbed one by the back legs to get her off the other, and getting badly >> bitten myself, it was too late, she had killed the other. I was devastated >> of course, and if I had found a home for one of them it would never have >> happened. It wasn,t even like they were ever left alone together, I was >> actually within 3 feet when they started, there was no warning, just went >> into kill mode.
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I agree with the situation. Both of my females are spayed, and near 80lbs each, and complete opposite personalities. One is the more aggressive (but not violent) dog, and the other docile and sweet. They get along fine together, and have never had a single actual "fight", but I’ve heard of people with dogs that are too much alike in personality having problems.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You might try posting your problem to rec.pets.dogs.behavior. For the most > good advice, tell the ages and genders of each dog, when the fighting > started, and what seems to set it off. In the meantime, you might have to > keep them seperated until you can rehome one or the other. > I gotta tell you, I have heard some very bad stories about two females > fighting. I kept 2 spayed females together for years without any trouble, > but they were close in size and had very different motivations. One was a > food hound and one was a people hound. The only scary fight happened when > those two interests intersected, when I was hand-feeding them treats. I > never did that again. > I don’t know about St John’s wort for dogs. I have heard good reports of > using the Bach Flower remedy "Rescue Remedy". I have never used it to curb > aggression, but have used it to take the edge off my dog so I could trim her > toenails without her being extremely fearful. Good luck. jdoee and Stacey > Dog > I have 3 dogs, 2 of them have started fighting. The small one, a 14 pound > Lhasa/Maltese, growls at the 45 pound terrier mix, and the fight is on. But > the little one is losing ground, and today she almost lost her life. I love > both of them,but I cannot sacrifice the life of my Shenandoah. We are > muzzling Mariah, she is only a year old, and doesn’t understand, but it is a > solution of sorts. My question is; is St. John’s Wort safe, and what would > the dosage and frequency be for a 45 pound dog? PLEASE answer; my nephew’s > big dog just killed his small one. I could not bear that. Sherry > — > http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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Hi anne, aren,t tibbies great? Kate is the 2nd one I have owned.She is now 5. She is certainly aloof, but very clever. Their little faces say so much. When my son comes for a visit, and happens to sneeze, she looks at me as though to say "are you going to let him do that near me"?? She refuses to come down the stairs on her own, I have to carry her.And if I have gone up to get some clothes to put in the washing mashine, she rides seated atop of a pile of clothes in the basket like she was royal lol.She is the boss over all the others, even the giant schnauzer, but considers all the cats to be her babies.She truly is a benign little soul, and loves everyone, even the ferrets.
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Ok you want to work with the dog – how about seeing if you can find a veterinary behaviorist to help you? one that can perhaps prescribe something to help reduce the aggressive dog’s attitude while you are reshaping her behavior? (its just a chemical assist until the dog has time to learn what is wanted) See if your vet can suggest someone for you to see. Nancy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I can’t bring myself to take this dog back to the Animal Shelter, and it is > in the adoption agreement that is what I must do. We have a muzzle on her, > and she is crated when we’re gone. It’s the little one that starts it by > growling, hell, she even growls at us! Lhasas are by nature guard dogs, > that’s what they were bred for. Mariah, the larger one, is basically an > innocent bystander, but she will fight back when threatened. Our Shih Tzu is > the only one that I trust, and Shenandoah, the Lhasa/Maltese has even fought > with him, and she was raised with him. I must find another way. We love > Mariah, and she loves us. I will keep looking. Thanks. Sherry > St Johns wort is for treating depression, I use it myself. It will not > help > this problem. I think you might have to consider finding one of them > another > home. IMHO when 2 bitches have a serious fight, you can NEVER trust them > together again. I have kept dogs for over 25 years, nearly always bitches, > and always 3 or more at a time, and a couple of times over the years there > have been 2 bitches that just hate each other, in fact a couple of years > ago, with no warning, a fight started and I just could not stop it, they > were intent on killing each other. After getting so desparate that I just > grabbed one by the back legs to get her off the other, and getting badly > bitten myself, it was too late, she had killed the other. I was devastated > of course, and if I had found a home for one of them it would never have > happened. It wasn,t even like they were ever left alone together, I was > actually within 3 feet when they started, there was no warning, just went > into kill mode.
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