May have Plott Hound
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One of the problems with identifying Plott is that there is such variety among them. I’ve seen Plotts that looked like oversize Staffordshire Bull Terriers, except for the head, some that were very houndy with longish droopy ears, and still others that were tall and leggy. More than other breeds, many have little resemblance to the breed standard. Brindle, my first dog was a Plott. She was a shelter dog and I wasn’t sure she was a Plott, so I took her to some UKC Coonhound shows. A wellknown Plott breeder told me she looked all Plott to him, and had good conformation execpt for her feet(and bad feet are a common fault in this breed). I entered her in the grade division which is like a fun match for unregistered and/or neutered dogs). She won her class. There were only two dogs in her class but still, the win indicated that the judge thought qshe was purebred at the very least. You can find the UKC breed standard at http://www.treehound.com/treehound/html/plott.html The AKC standard is at http://www.akc.org/plotthnd.htm And there’s lots of info, photos and links at http://www.coonhounds.com
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It is a sad comment on people, but shelter personnel often label dogs of unknown ancestry "something-mix" in order to better its chances of being adopted. Thus anything black with a relatively smooth coat is termed a "Lab-mix," a coated, blonde dog is a "Golden retriever-mix," and all toy-sized dogs are "Chihuahua-mix" or Yorkie-mix." Not to mention the uncropped and undocked Doberman Pinscher North Shore insisted was a Lab-mix. avrama & shomer .. nfx v2.7 [C0000] Our pack is led by an alpha bitch-and the dog knows it!
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I think what the man was asking is if there were anyone that has Plott’s or knew anything about them. Not can you id it. In Central VA, the Plott’s are used mainly as hunting dog as that is what it was bred for. It has an excellent trailing nose, deep bark or bawl and is a sturdy dog. I don’t own any Plotts but I have been around a few. They are very good at what they do. They tend to be a little larger than most hounds and usually stronger. I have seen them trained for raccoon, bear, deer and mountain lion hunting. Usually, when kept in packs, the Plotts tend to be a little more agressive than other hounds. What you have, (if it is a Plott) is a good solid hunting dog. It has a great nose for scents and properly trained, you could use it for rescues for lost people. Otherwise, it is a good hound that likes to bark. Good luck and enjoy your dog. — If you aren’t the lead dog, the view never changes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lynn writes: > :Wow. There are a ton of differences between an cattle > :dog/pit mix and a Plott Hound, and it is hard to imagine > :anyone confusing the two. > Considering some of the howler breed misidentifications > I’ve seen in shelters, I can imagine almost any confusion. > (Rule 1 of the Shelter Mixed Breed Guessing Game: If it has > short hair and is black (or mostly black or at least somewhat > black) or yellow (or mostly yellow or mostly something not > too far from yellow), it is most definitely a Lab Mix, even > if it is 15lbs and doesn’t have a single distinctively Labbish > trait in appearance or behavior, and has many non-Labbish > traits instead.) > JohnR
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> : > : Shelter workers are notorious for this:) > And so are people who are trying to do a breed identification from > a tiny pic in an all-breed book. Just today someone asked me to > help her find a home from her dog from the pound that she was convinced > was a Wire-haired Pointing Griffon. Of course, it was all black, 18 > inches, tulip eared, with a stocky build. Looked like a Schnauzer-mix > to me. The sad thing is that she came to this conclusion with her vet, > as they went through a breed book together. > Lynn K. > — > Lynn,
Back in my boarding kennel days (8 months of hell, in case you were wondering–great kennel, b*tch of an owner, but I digress) we had a "Viszla" as a semi-regular client. Adopted from the shelter, his owners had determined that he was, indeed, a purebred Viszla from consulting the ancient, black & white AKC breed chart in the shelter’s lobby. Problem was, he was so *obviously* a spaniel mix. About the size of a smallish Viszla, he had a 3/4-ish length docked tail, dropp ears, and he was a shade of red. Unfortunately, it was a ‘liver’ red, not a russet red. Really nice rear angulation–for a cocker. Fair amount of feathering, too, kinda like a field-bred English springer. Head much like a springer, too, or an ‘old style’ cocker. Dark brown eyes–brown cocker breeders spend generations trying to get such deep, dark eyes and pigment in their dogs. NOTHING about this dog said ‘Viszla’–absolutely nothing, but they were soooo convinced… Karen
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: : Shelter workers are notorious for this:) And so are people who are trying to do a breed identification from a tiny pic in an all-breed book. Just today someone asked me to help her find a home from her dog from the pound that she was convinced was a Wire-haired Pointing Griffon. Of course, it was all black, 18 inches, tulip eared, with a stocky build. Looked like a Schnauzer-mix to me. The sad thing is that she came to this conclusion with her vet, as they went through a breed book together. Lynn K. —
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My Spaniel Mix looks AMAZINGLY like the Markiesje pictured in the Mini Atlas of Dog Breeds, and my Sheppy Mix looks almost as amazingly like the smooth-haired Pyrenean Shepherd pictured in the same book. If either breed were remotely common (and the resemblances remained anywhere near as uncanny over multiple comparisons with members of somewhat common breeds), I might seriously consider the possibility that the resemblances are more than fortuitous. As it is, I note that almost any mix of Spaniel (probably Cocker, but not necessarily) with a some smaller, pointier-nosed, shorter-eared dog would come out not TOO far from what my Spaniel Mix looks like. And I also note that my pseudo-PyrShep falls easily into the class of dogs that weigh between 30 and 40lbs and have vaguely, but not pronouncedly, lupine looks – and *that* is pretty much the definition of the typical result of panmixia. JohnR
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > : > : Shelter workers are notorious for this:) > And so are people who are trying to do a breed identification from > a tiny pic in an all-breed book. Just today someone asked me to > help her find a home from her dog from the pound that she was convinced > was a Wire-haired Pointing Griffon. Of course, it was all black, 18 > inches, tulip eared, with a stocky build. Looked like a Schnauzer-mix > to me. The sad thing is that she came to this conclusion with her vet, > as they went through a breed book together. > Lynn K. > —
Lynn, I think you misunderstood. We were not attempting to identify the breed of our pet solely by one photograph. We checked the characteristics (physical and behavioral) of the Plott Hound from several sources and were struck by the similiarities shared between the description and our dog. Actually, the only way to know for sure would be to show him to a ‘Plott’ breeder. We have no interest in an in depth investigation of his background and love him no matter what his heritage. 
Any Plott Hound owners on this list?? We’d love to hear from you. Take care, Tony Troiano
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" Last fall my wife and I rescued a dog from the local shelter and we were : told at the time he was probably a cattle dog/pit type of a mix. : However, we recently discovered a book describing show dogs and came : upon the "plott hound", a breed just recently recognized by the AKC : (miscellaneous class) this past October. The dog is a dead ringer for : the little guy we took in and the characteristics described in : publications and web sites concerning this breed fit him very closely. " I gotta tell you that I know nothing about Plott Hounds…but I will say that my cross boy looks and sounds *exactly* like a very rare Argentinian (or was it Brazilian?_–anyway) breed…..I was amazed looking at the pics! I am sure there are people here in the know about this breed, however, I don’t think your dog really cares where he came from–just where he’s at! Cheers,C.
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: Last fall my wife and I rescued a dog from the local shelter and we were : told at the time he was probably a cattle dog/pit type of a mix. : However, we recently discovered a book describing show dogs and came : upon the "plott hound", a breed just recently recognized by the AKC : (miscellaneous class) this past October. The dog is a dead ringer for : the little guy we took in and the characteristics described in : publications and web sites concerning this breed fit him very closely. Wow. There are a ton of differences between an cattle dog/pit mix and a Plott Hound, and it is hard to imagine anyone confusing the two. You might want to go to the AKC web site and follow the links for Australian Cattle Dogs, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Plott Hounds to read the standards for each of these breeds. Some things to look at, for comparison to your dog, are height, weight, length of ear, and the description of the head shape. All very, very different. Then, again, what does it matter? I’m sure he’s a great pet and you love him, no matter what his ancestors were. Lynn K. —
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>Wow. There are a ton of differences between an cattle dog/pit mix and >a Plott Hound, and it is hard to imagine anyone confusing the two.
Shelter workers are notorious for this:) Dogstar716 "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion" – Unknow
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Lynn writes:
:Wow. There are a ton of differences between an cattle :dog/pit mix and a Plott Hound, and it is hard to imagine :anyone confusing the two. Considering some of the howler breed misidentifications I’ve seen in shelters, I can imagine almost any confusion. (Rule 1 of the Shelter Mixed Breed Guessing Game: If it has short hair and is black (or mostly black or at least somewhat black) or yellow (or mostly yellow or mostly something not too far from yellow), it is most definitely a Lab Mix, even if it is 15lbs and doesn’t have a single distinctively Labbish trait in appearance or behavior, and has many non-Labbish traits instead.) JohnR
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>I gotta tell you that I know nothing about Plott Hounds…but I will say >that my cross boy looks and sounds *exactly* like a very rare Argentinian >(or was it Brazilian?_–anyway) breed…..I was amazed looking at the >pics!
Amazing how that happens- my parents have a little dog that looks just like pictures of a Dutch Smoushound that I have in one of my books! Cris Waller Visit the Predator Defense Institute website! http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/pdi/index.htm Flat-coated retriever art gallery http://members.tripod.com/antique_fcr/index.html
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Last fall my wife and I rescued a dog from the local shelter and we were told at the time he was probably a cattle dog/pit type of a mix. However, we recently discovered a book describing show dogs and came upon the "plott hound", a breed just recently recognized by the AKC (miscellaneous class) this past October. The dog is a dead ringer for the little guy we took in and the characteristics described in publications and web sites concerning this breed fit him very closely. Does anyone in this group have such a dog or are familiar with the breed? Any information is appreciated. Thank you. –Tony Troiano–
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