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>Soooo.. you’d rather have a big dog around that occassionally gets into >dominance disputes with you by trying to pin you to the ground by the >throat? <BG>
Ah well, establishing dominance is one of the key factors in successful dog ownership! Our German Shepherd knows where he is in the pecking order- although he’s not sure where he stands with the cats… > I’d rather have a wolf puppy that takes NO for an answer.
I like dogs that take NO for an answer from the right people, and consider burglars a potential meal 
>Yappy, snappy little dogs are always an owner problem, not a dog problem. >We got 3 poms (obtained as adults), and none would think of sinking their >teeth into anything except their food.
Dog problems are almost always owner problems, IMO. Some dogs are less susceptible to bad owners than others, though, and some breeds seem to have certain patterns of behaviour hardwired. The main problem with the Cairn is that they got it at the same time as an almost full grown greyhound. They muzzled the greyhound, to stop it eating the Cairn, and this resulted in the Cairn growing up thinking it could nip other dogs with impunity. Also, it gets spoilt rotten, and as a result is one of those fawning, attention seeking dogs. > Now one of our springers has >decided he doesnt like people in uniforms. Already took a taste of a FedEx >woman. We are now on the delivery people’s shit list. Solo
Springers! Lovely dogs, but often loopy. I used to know somebody who had an elderly springer, which would run about hyperactively until it collapsed and its tongue turned blue. Concerned by this, he consulted the vet, who replied along the lines of "what do you expect, it’s a Springer, and it will probably continue behaving like that until it keels over". Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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>I feel the same way about those that I do about breeding dogs that >can’t breathe properly, or that go through life with the size and >behaviour patterns of puppies.
I agree about dogs that can’t breathe properly, and once upon a time I would have agreed about the small dogs, but I let Marta talk me into a mini Schnauzer, and now she’s grafted herself to me. It’s not my fault! — * This message has been anti-spammed – sorry * My views aren’t my own…apparently they’ve been generated by software
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> Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations. I do sell a few sarassa comets.
We’ve got a small fancy goldfish that we were given in the pond. It really belongs in an aquarium, but I can’t be bothered setting one up for a single grotesque. It’s turned up in the filter twice now, having been sucked through the bottom drain. Can’t swim properly, you see. I feel the same way about those that I do about breeding dogs that can’t breathe properly, or that go through life with the size and behaviour patterns of puppies. Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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Tell your oranda he’s not alone others of us out here think he’s cute, suicide is not necessary, he can pack his bags and move down the road (not the drain) away from the bully and start fresh with new friends. I have oranda, 3, (my son calls them the fish with their brains on the outside) in my pond with 2 koi (who’ve tripled their size in 2 months) and they and all the others get along fine. I like the variety of having the different fish. The black moors are the friendlies of the bunch. The sarasses, from the time they were introduced into the pond, became the leaders of the pack. The fancy calicos are fun to watch them keep up with the pack – and they do – with their unique widdle waddle swimming style and the comets and shubunkin who dash the length in the blink of an eye. Makes really fun to spend the afternoon watching. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >My poor oranda . . . unloved . . . no one cares . . . he’s probably going to >throw >himself infront of the bottom drain and end it all. > Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish > (orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find > it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to > swimbladder problems. >I somewhat agree but I don’t find anything wrong with ryunkins or orandas. I >guess >it’s just a matter of where you draw the line between extreme and acceptable. >I’ve >also been fortunate to never have had a fancy with any swim bladder >disorders. >Besides, I think my orandas are cute. their head growth looks like a crew >cut . . . >. Clean . . . . Conservative . . . . maybe he should join the military. >–
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> >Hi John, >I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi. > BURN THE HERETIC!
Whhooo weeeee . . . . . boy did I sturr up a hornet’s nest. Is it time for me to get my drag racing fire suit back from the cleaners? <grin> >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas. > Sounds like an improvement… That koi is a cosmetic surgeon.
My poor oranda . . . unloved . . . no one cares . . . he’s probably going to throw himself infront of the bottom drain and end it all. > Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish > (orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find > it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to > swimbladder problems.
I somewhat agree but I don’t find anything wrong with ryunkins or orandas. I guess it’s just a matter of where you draw the line between extreme and acceptable. I’ve also been fortunate to never have had a fancy with any swim bladder disorders. Besides, I think my orandas are cute. their head growth looks like a crew cut . . . . Clean . . . . Conservative . . . . maybe he should join the military. — Phillip Dauben (Pick only one) http://www2.4dcomm.com/phillip.dauben/ http://www2.4dcomm.com/phillip.dauben/pond/ http://www.geocities.com/~dauben Words of wisdom: "Don’t squat with ‘yer spurs on"
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> Beauty *is* in the eye of the beholder. Truth is *NOT*. (John 14:6)
Since everyone is picking on my "grotesque, weak" oranda, I think some other scripture is in order: "Blessed are those who are persecuted . . . . ." My poor persecuted oranda. <grin> It’s okay baby . . . God loves you. He will have a place for you in the big pond in the sky. — Phillip Dauben (Pick only one) http://www2.4dcomm.com/phillip.dauben/ http://www2.4dcomm.com/phillip.dauben/pond/ http://www.geocities.com/~dauben Words of wisdom: "Don’t squat with ‘yer spurs on"
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>>I feel the same way about those that I do about breeding dogs that >can’t breathe properly, or that go through life with the size and >behaviour patterns of puppies. >I agree about dogs that can’t breathe properly, and once upon a time I >would have agreed about the small dogs, but I let Marta talk me into a >mini Schnauzer, and now she’s grafted herself to me. It’s not my >fault!
I’m perhaps biased by the fact that my prospective mother in law has a little yappy Cairn terrier. <shiver> I _HATE_ that dog! Also, I was bitten on the ear by a yorkshire terrier when I was a kid, having picked it up, and have never trusted little dogs since. Big dogs are fine. I saw an article in New Scientist a while back, where they’d compared behaviour patterns in wolves of different ages with different breeds of domesticated dog at different ages. They found that, as they got older, larger dogs acquired most of the"wild type" behavioural patterns, while toy dogs never got past behaving like wolf puppies. I’m just not keen on forcing neoteny onto things… Besides, when I see that damn Cairn fawning for attention, it strikes me as somehow an offence to the idea of the wolf…. I dunno. YKWIM. Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi. I have kept orandas, comets, shubunkins, and >ryunkins in my pond for several years. About 6 months ago I decided to >experiment with 1 koi. He has done nothing but tear the plants apart, dig up >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas. >Must be a short finner. >~Keep ‘em Wet!~ >jan/Tri-Cities WA Zone 7 >Remove Z to e-mail >See my ponds: >http://home.earthlink.net/~alanjordan1/jjspond/index.html
Yall got surfers there? Sounds a lot like these nuts I live around (I don’t surf, well, I do boogy board). With disgust, two young guys speaking of one closer to my age in the convenience store down to the beach, "He’s a long boarder." Brett
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Sorry, It was a throw back to hearing someone say "Truth is in the eye of the beholder". Brett brought up the Creator,… off went my stream of consciousness. — Darrell Garton Montrose Colorado, Zone 6a (darrell at montrose dot net) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >JOHN 14:6 ? I have seen scripture used for all kinds of things but
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>Personally I agree with Steve that a Koi eating the head growth off an >Oranda is a cosmetic sturgeon.
<groan> Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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>Personally I agree with Steve that a Koi eating the head growth off an >Oranda is a cosmetic sturgeon. ><groan> >:-)
I just couldn’t help myself – it just burst out. Must have been another software generated opinion. — * This message has been anti-spammed – sorry * My views aren’t my own…apparently they’ve been generated by software
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>If the oranda’s head growth doesn’t fit you can’t convict.
LMAO!!!! Do I know you? jan ~Keep ‘em Wet~
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>brett rowley wrote … > Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations. >Hmmmmm. >I’m not going to comment on either side of this debate, since this is the >very reason they make blue pants, green pants, brown pants… etc. >HOWEVER! If I’m not mistaken, Koi are not exactly "as the creator planned >them".
Why sure they are, so are the abominable goldfish. Without a little inbreeding here, and selective spawning there, they >wouldn’t have those beautiful colors we are all so fond of. Abomination… >Deformity… or Beauty?
Beauty in color, not in physical deformation for the sake of it. I don’t even like longfin koi. Found a genuine "split tail" koi when sorting young fish once. Through it over my shoulder, into the ditch by the vat drain, where waited a hungry bass, no more abomination. Really upset my partner who was already spending the fortune in his mind we would have made by propogating the deformity. >Beauty *is* in the eye of the beholder.
Well, now. I’m a firm believer and practicer. If this were not the case, none of them would be worth a um, darn. Truth is *NOT*. (John 14:6) >– >Darrell Garton >Montrose Colorado, Zone 6a >(darrell at montrose dot net)
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> Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations. I do sell a few sarassa comets. >Wonder if we might be able to have a public hanging on the usenet??? >My opinions are my own and not necessarily reflected by my employer, which >BTW is myself.
You may wish to reconsider: For example, did you know that you can either STAIN or PAINT your koi? Use a sprayer, a brush, or a roller — it’s easy! - jqt –
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>I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi. I have kept orandas, comets, shubunkins, and >ryunkins in my pond for several years. About 6 months ago I decided to >experiment with 1 koi. He has done nothing but tear the plants apart, dig up >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas.
Must be a short finner. ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ jan/Tri-Cities WA Zone 7 Remove Z to e-mail See my ponds: http://home.earthlink.net/~alanjordan1/jjspond/index.html
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We’re thinking of getting some koi for our pond. We have no experience with them so if anyone has advice for some koi newbies we’d apprciate it. Thanks
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> We’re thinking of getting some koi for our pond. We have no experience with > them so if anyone has advice for some koi newbies we’d apprciate it. > Thanks
1)what size is the pond? 2)how deep? Koi aren’t really a demanding fish,can tolerate a wide range of water conditions,PH etc. A good filter sys. is needed though. — Ken Arnold, KenCo Fish & Supplies Pond and Aquarium fish, Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas, Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.
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>> I flung him out of
the pond onto the patio (he wasn’t hurt), and now he is in the hospital tank where he awaits his sentencing.<< drumroll here :::::::::::::::::::: blindfold please:::::::::::::: Wait, call Johnny Koicran! Maybe he had a bad fryhood? Let’s not rush to judgement. If the oranda’s head growth doesn’t fit you can’t convict. Are you sure you don’t want to sell your story to the Pondal Examiner? [sorry, that's really bad, isn't it?] Kathy 30acre and the gardening labrador girls, Rosie and Heidi. Zone 7, hot and sunny summers by the pond
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>Hi John, >I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi.
BURN THE HERETIC! > I have kept orandas, comets, shubunkins, and >ryunkins in my pond for several years. About 6 months ago I decided to >experiment with 1 koi. He has done nothing but tear the plants apart, dig up >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas.
Sounds like an improvement… That koi is a cosmetic surgeon. >Anyhoo, from my personal experience, there are other fish that are cheaper, >prettier, have more personality, and don’t ruin your pond. Yet, there are >others who love koi.
Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish (orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to swimbladder problems. Probably just me though. Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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JOHN 14:6 ? I have seen scripture used for all kinds of things but
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>brett rowley wrote … > Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations. >I’m not going to comment on either side of this debate, since this is the >very reason they make blue pants, green pants, brown pants… etc.
Come on. _Green_ pants? Now, there’s an abomination. Personally I agree with Steve that a Koi eating the head growth off an Oranda is a cosmetic sturgeon. — * This message has been anti-spammed – sorry * My views aren’t my own…apparently they’ve been generated by software
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brett rowley wrote … > Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations.
Hmmmmm. I’m not going to comment on either side of this debate, since this is the very reason they make blue pants, green pants, brown pants… etc. HOWEVER! If I’m not mistaken, Koi are not exactly "as the creator planned them". Without a little inbreeding here, and selective spawning there, they wouldn’t have those beautiful colors we are all so fond of. Abomination… Deformity… or Beauty? Beauty *is* in the eye of the beholder. Truth is *NOT*. (John 14:6) — Darrell Garton Montrose Colorado, Zone 6a (darrell at montrose dot net)
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>We’re thinking of getting some koi for our pond. We have no experience with >them so if anyone has advice for some koi newbies we’d apprciate it.
a good place to buy nice fish at a great price is www.kencofish.com I have been real happy wit hthe fish from him. "Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi John, >I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi. >BURN THE HERETIC! > I have kept orandas, comets, shubunkins, and >ryunkins in my pond for several years. About 6 months ago I decided to >experiment with 1 koi. He has done nothing but tear the plants apart, dig up >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas. >Sounds like an improvement… That koi is a cosmetic surgeon. >Anyhoo, from my personal experience, there are other fish that are cheaper, >prettier, have more personality, and don’t ruin your pond. Yet, there are >others who love koi. >Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish >(orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find >it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to >swimbladder problems. >Probably just me though. >Steve >– >Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not >necessarily reflect those of my employer
Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed or even deal in such abominations. I do sell a few sarassa comets. Wonder if we might be able to have a public hanging on the usenet??? My opinions are my own and not necessarily reflected by my employer, which BTW is myself. Brett
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> Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish > (orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find > it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to > swimbladder problems. > Probably just me though.
Nope, me too.Fortunately my pond agrees with me, its definition of a proper fish is one that can swim the length in a very small number of seconds. Those that can’t starve. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve > — > Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not > necessarily reflect those of my employer
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>Soooo.. you’d rather have a big dog around that occassionally gets into >dominance disputes with you by trying to pin you to the ground by the >throat? <BG>
Ah well, establishing dominance is one of the key factors in successful dog ownership! Our German Shepherd knows where he is in the pecking order- although he’s not sure where he stands with the cats… > I’d rather have a wolf puppy that takes NO for an answer.
I like dogs that take NO for an answer from the right people, and consider burglars a potential meal >Yappy, snappy little dogs are always an owner problem, not a dog problem. >We got 3 poms (obtained as adults), and none would think of sinking their >teeth into anything except their food.
Dog problems are almost always owner problems, IMO. Some dogs are less susceptible to bad owners than others, though, and some breeds seem to have certain patterns of behaviour hardwired. The main problem with the Cairn is that they got it at the same time as an almost full grown greyhound. They muzzled the greyhound, to stop it eating the Cairn, and this resulted in the Cairn growing up thinking it could nip other dogs with impunity. Also, it gets spoilt rotten, and as a result is one of those fawning, attention seeking dogs. > Now one of our springers has >decided he doesnt like people in uniforms. Already took a taste of a FedEx >woman. We are now on the delivery people’s shit list. Solo
Springers! Lovely dogs, but often loopy. I used to know somebody who had an elderly springer, which would run about hyperactively until it collapsed and its tongue turned blue. Concerned by this, he consulted the vet, who replied along the lines of "what do you expect, it’s a Springer, and it will probably continue behaving like that until it keels over". Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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>I feel the same way about those that I do about breeding dogs that >can’t breathe properly, or that go through life with the size and >behaviour patterns of puppies.
I agree about dogs that can’t breathe properly, and once upon a time I would have agreed about the small dogs, but I let Marta talk me into a mini Schnauzer, and now she’s grafted herself to me. It’s not my fault! — * This message has been anti-spammed – sorry * My views aren’t my own…apparently they’ve been generated by software
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> Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations. I do sell a few sarassa comets.
We’ve got a small fancy goldfish that we were given in the pond. It really belongs in an aquarium, but I can’t be bothered setting one up for a single grotesque. It’s turned up in the filter twice now, having been sucked through the bottom drain. Can’t swim properly, you see. I feel the same way about those that I do about breeding dogs that can’t breathe properly, or that go through life with the size and behaviour patterns of puppies. Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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Tell your oranda he’s not alone others of us out here think he’s cute, suicide is not necessary, he can pack his bags and move down the road (not the drain) away from the bully and start fresh with new friends. I have oranda, 3, (my son calls them the fish with their brains on the outside) in my pond with 2 koi (who’ve tripled their size in 2 months) and they and all the others get along fine. I like the variety of having the different fish. The black moors are the friendlies of the bunch. The sarasses, from the time they were introduced into the pond, became the leaders of the pack. The fancy calicos are fun to watch them keep up with the pack – and they do – with their unique widdle waddle swimming style and the comets and shubunkin who dash the length in the blink of an eye. Makes really fun to spend the afternoon watching. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >My poor oranda . . . unloved . . . no one cares . . . he’s probably going to >throw >himself infront of the bottom drain and end it all. > Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish > (orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find > it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to > swimbladder problems. >I somewhat agree but I don’t find anything wrong with ryunkins or orandas. I >guess >it’s just a matter of where you draw the line between extreme and acceptable. >I’ve >also been fortunate to never have had a fancy with any swim bladder >disorders. >Besides, I think my orandas are cute. their head growth looks like a crew >cut . . . >. Clean . . . . Conservative . . . . maybe he should join the military. >–
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> >Hi John, >I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi. > BURN THE HERETIC!
Whhooo weeeee . . . . . boy did I sturr up a hornet’s nest. Is it time for me to get my drag racing fire suit back from the cleaners? <grin> >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas. > Sounds like an improvement… That koi is a cosmetic surgeon.
My poor oranda . . . unloved . . . no one cares . . . he’s probably going to throw himself infront of the bottom drain and end it all. > Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish > (orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find > it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to > swimbladder problems.
I somewhat agree but I don’t find anything wrong with ryunkins or orandas. I guess it’s just a matter of where you draw the line between extreme and acceptable. I’ve also been fortunate to never have had a fancy with any swim bladder disorders. Besides, I think my orandas are cute. their head growth looks like a crew cut . . . . Clean . . . . Conservative . . . . maybe he should join the military. — Phillip Dauben (Pick only one) http://www2.4dcomm.com/phillip.dauben/ http://www2.4dcomm.com/phillip.dauben/pond/ http://www.geocities.com/~dauben Words of wisdom: "Don’t squat with ‘yer spurs on"
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> Beauty *is* in the eye of the beholder. Truth is *NOT*. (John 14:6)
Since everyone is picking on my "grotesque, weak" oranda, I think some other scripture is in order: "Blessed are those who are persecuted . . . . ." My poor persecuted oranda. <grin> It’s okay baby . . . God loves you. He will have a place for you in the big pond in the sky. — Phillip Dauben (Pick only one) http://www2.4dcomm.com/phillip.dauben/ http://www2.4dcomm.com/phillip.dauben/pond/ http://www.geocities.com/~dauben Words of wisdom: "Don’t squat with ‘yer spurs on"
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>>I feel the same way about those that I do about breeding dogs that >can’t breathe properly, or that go through life with the size and >behaviour patterns of puppies. >I agree about dogs that can’t breathe properly, and once upon a time I >would have agreed about the small dogs, but I let Marta talk me into a >mini Schnauzer, and now she’s grafted herself to me. It’s not my >fault!
I’m perhaps biased by the fact that my prospective mother in law has a little yappy Cairn terrier. <shiver> I _HATE_ that dog! Also, I was bitten on the ear by a yorkshire terrier when I was a kid, having picked it up, and have never trusted little dogs since. Big dogs are fine. I saw an article in New Scientist a while back, where they’d compared behaviour patterns in wolves of different ages with different breeds of domesticated dog at different ages. They found that, as they got older, larger dogs acquired most of the"wild type" behavioural patterns, while toy dogs never got past behaving like wolf puppies. I’m just not keen on forcing neoteny onto things… Besides, when I see that damn Cairn fawning for attention, it strikes me as somehow an offence to the idea of the wolf…. I dunno. YKWIM. Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi. I have kept orandas, comets, shubunkins, and >ryunkins in my pond for several years. About 6 months ago I decided to >experiment with 1 koi. He has done nothing but tear the plants apart, dig up >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas. >Must be a short finner. >~Keep ‘em Wet!~ >jan/Tri-Cities WA Zone 7 >Remove Z to e-mail >See my ponds: >http://home.earthlink.net/~alanjordan1/jjspond/index.html
Yall got surfers there? Sounds a lot like these nuts I live around (I don’t surf, well, I do boogy board). With disgust, two young guys speaking of one closer to my age in the convenience store down to the beach, "He’s a long boarder." Brett
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Sorry, It was a throw back to hearing someone say "Truth is in the eye of the beholder". Brett brought up the Creator,… off went my stream of consciousness. — Darrell Garton Montrose Colorado, Zone 6a (darrell at montrose dot net) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >JOHN 14:6 ? I have seen scripture used for all kinds of things but
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>Personally I agree with Steve that a Koi eating the head growth off an >Oranda is a cosmetic sturgeon.
<groan> Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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>Personally I agree with Steve that a Koi eating the head growth off an >Oranda is a cosmetic sturgeon. ><groan> >:-)
I just couldn’t help myself – it just burst out. Must have been another software generated opinion. — * This message has been anti-spammed – sorry * My views aren’t my own…apparently they’ve been generated by software
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>If the oranda’s head growth doesn’t fit you can’t convict.
LMAO!!!! Do I know you? jan ~Keep ‘em Wet~
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>brett rowley wrote … > Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations. >Hmmmmm. >I’m not going to comment on either side of this debate, since this is the >very reason they make blue pants, green pants, brown pants… etc. >HOWEVER! If I’m not mistaken, Koi are not exactly "as the creator planned >them".
Why sure they are, so are the abominable goldfish. Without a little inbreeding here, and selective spawning there, they >wouldn’t have those beautiful colors we are all so fond of. Abomination… >Deformity… or Beauty?
Beauty in color, not in physical deformation for the sake of it. I don’t even like longfin koi. Found a genuine "split tail" koi when sorting young fish once. Through it over my shoulder, into the ditch by the vat drain, where waited a hungry bass, no more abomination. Really upset my partner who was already spending the fortune in his mind we would have made by propogating the deformity. >Beauty *is* in the eye of the beholder.
Well, now. I’m a firm believer and practicer. If this were not the case, none of them would be worth a um, darn. Truth is *NOT*. (John 14:6) >– >Darrell Garton >Montrose Colorado, Zone 6a >(darrell at montrose dot net)
Brett
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> Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations. I do sell a few sarassa comets. >Wonder if we might be able to have a public hanging on the usenet??? >My opinions are my own and not necessarily reflected by my employer, which >BTW is myself.
You may wish to reconsider: For example, did you know that you can either STAIN or PAINT your koi? Use a sprayer, a brush, or a roller — it’s easy! - jqt –
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>I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi. I have kept orandas, comets, shubunkins, and >ryunkins in my pond for several years. About 6 months ago I decided to >experiment with 1 koi. He has done nothing but tear the plants apart, dig up >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas.
Must be a short finner. ~Keep ‘em Wet!~ jan/Tri-Cities WA Zone 7 Remove Z to e-mail See my ponds: http://home.earthlink.net/~alanjordan1/jjspond/index.html
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We’re thinking of getting some koi for our pond. We have no experience with them so if anyone has advice for some koi newbies we’d apprciate it. Thanks
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> We’re thinking of getting some koi for our pond. We have no experience with > them so if anyone has advice for some koi newbies we’d apprciate it. > Thanks
1)what size is the pond? 2)how deep? Koi aren’t really a demanding fish,can tolerate a wide range of water conditions,PH etc. A good filter sys. is needed though. — Ken Arnold, KenCo Fish & Supplies Pond and Aquarium fish, Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas, Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.
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>> I flung him out of
the pond onto the patio (he wasn’t hurt), and now he is in the hospital tank where he awaits his sentencing.<< drumroll here :::::::::::::::::::: blindfold please:::::::::::::: Wait, call Johnny Koicran! Maybe he had a bad fryhood? Let’s not rush to judgement. If the oranda’s head growth doesn’t fit you can’t convict. Are you sure you don’t want to sell your story to the Pondal Examiner? [sorry, that's really bad, isn't it?] Kathy 30acre and the gardening labrador girls, Rosie and Heidi. Zone 7, hot and sunny summers by the pond
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>Hi John, >I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi.
BURN THE HERETIC! > I have kept orandas, comets, shubunkins, and >ryunkins in my pond for several years. About 6 months ago I decided to >experiment with 1 koi. He has done nothing but tear the plants apart, dig up >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas.
Sounds like an improvement… That koi is a cosmetic surgeon. >Anyhoo, from my personal experience, there are other fish that are cheaper, >prettier, have more personality, and don’t ruin your pond. Yet, there are >others who love koi.
Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish (orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to swimbladder problems. Probably just me though. Steve — Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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JOHN 14:6 ? I have seen scripture used for all kinds of things but
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>brett rowley wrote … > Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations. >I’m not going to comment on either side of this debate, since this is the >very reason they make blue pants, green pants, brown pants… etc.
Come on. _Green_ pants? Now, there’s an abomination. Personally I agree with Steve that a Koi eating the head growth off an Oranda is a cosmetic sturgeon. — * This message has been anti-spammed – sorry * My views aren’t my own…apparently they’ve been generated by software
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brett rowley wrote … > Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only >disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed >or even deal in such abominations.
Hmmmmm. I’m not going to comment on either side of this debate, since this is the very reason they make blue pants, green pants, brown pants… etc. HOWEVER! If I’m not mistaken, Koi are not exactly "as the creator planned them". Without a little inbreeding here, and selective spawning there, they wouldn’t have those beautiful colors we are all so fond of. Abomination… Deformity… or Beauty? Beauty *is* in the eye of the beholder. Truth is *NOT*. (John 14:6) — Darrell Garton Montrose Colorado, Zone 6a (darrell at montrose dot net)
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>We’re thinking of getting some koi for our pond. We have no experience with >them so if anyone has advice for some koi newbies we’d apprciate it.
a good place to buy nice fish at a great price is www.kencofish.com I have been real happy wit hthe fish from him. "Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi John, >I probably shouldn’t post this message on the news group because I will probably >get killed, but I can’t stand koi. >BURN THE HERETIC! > I have kept orandas, comets, shubunkins, and >ryunkins in my pond for several years. About 6 months ago I decided to >experiment with 1 koi. He has done nothing but tear the plants apart, dig up >the submerged plants, and eat the head growth off of one of my orandas. >Sounds like an improvement… That koi is a cosmetic surgeon. >Anyhoo, from my personal experience, there are other fish that are cheaper, >prettier, have more personality, and don’t ruin your pond. Yet, there are >others who love koi. >Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish >(orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find >it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to >swimbladder problems. >Probably just me though. >Steve >– >Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not >necessarily reflect those of my employer
Man do I ever concur. I find breeding animals for deformities not only disgusting, but an affront to the creator. I cannot bring myself to breed or even deal in such abominations. I do sell a few sarassa comets. Wonder if we might be able to have a public hanging on the usenet??? My opinions are my own and not necessarily reflected by my employer, which BTW is myself. Brett
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> Well, each to their own. I find the more extreme fancy goldfish > (orandas, lionheads, bubble-eyes, moors, etc) grotesque. I also find > it disturbing that many of them can’t swim properly and are prone to > swimbladder problems. > Probably just me though.
Nope, me too.Fortunately my pond agrees with me, its definition of a proper fish is one that can swim the length in a very small number of seconds. Those that can’t starve. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve > — > Disclaimer: These are my opinions only, and do not > necessarily reflect those of my employer
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